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What i prefer to remember when considering the at all costs push for reducing atmospheric co2 is earths atmosphere is composed of a mere 0.04% CO2. At 0.02% CO2 plant life on earth will die. Fingers crossed someone somewhere is keeping track so CO2 levels are not reduced too much.

The numbers look small, don't they? 0.04%? How could anything that small be a big deal? Well, there are people out there who know exactly how much CO2 is too much, and they are explaining to you that despite the small number, it's a lot, and it's going to cause problems. You should listen to them. I don't think 'but it's a small number' is a very good scientific rebuttal.

Points 1 and 2 are alarmist in nature and appear as presented to be junk-science.

What do you mean? Have you really not been following the debate over the last 20 years or so? I didn't just make this up. You cannot discredit it as 'junk science' without knowing exactly why you think the science is wrong - and for that, you need to have learned about the science.

The relevance of which was demonstrated by New years eve's very strong X5 class solar flare that 99% of climate scientists prefer to ignore (not anthropogenic so not interested).

Solar flares aren't the same as actual increasing output. Again - whilst it sounds like a big deal, it's a short term thing that's pretty small, without enough thermal energy to make an impact - that's why it was not mentioned as a climate problem.

I think what is happening here is that you are using your intuition and limited knowledge to refute actual science, whereas it should be the other way round. Intuition is a subjective thing, a feeling, and is hard to separate from emotion. Science is about rigorous experimentation, knowledge, debate, contradiction and eventually consensus. It's ok to start with intuition, but do not finish with it.
 
For both cars - they are currently running the very expensive “Electric” version of tyres that have a layer of foam inside them to reduce road noise.
When these need replacing - we won’t be using these expensive tyres. We will use the normal size, speed & load rating tyres that are around half the price of their “Electric” versions. The car stereos on both cars will be louder than the road noise from standard tyres!
We might get a few km less range with standard tyres - but as the Tesla Superchargers are free here - I don’t care.
A friend who has a Tesla 3 performance told me of another owner who he is in contact with who did what you are proposing and ended up binning them for the specified tyre. I can't remember the exact reason (I could find out though) but for whatever reason the non-electric tyres were bad enough to warrant immediate replacement.
 
We bought our two EVs with our own money.
The Tesla is now 14 months old and has covered 34,411 trouble free kms- with zero servicing cost. Tyres are still 50% tread left and the only upcoming cost will be for a Tesla mobile service engineer to come to our place to change the cabin air filter (this will cost around £40, I believe).
The BMW iX is now 9 months old and has covered 20,607 trouble free kms - with zero servicing cost (it comes with a 999,999km full service contract that includes all parts and labour). The app shows that its first service is due December 2024 - and this will be free of charge. Tyres still have 50% tread left.
For both cars - they are currently running the very expensive “Electric” version of tyres that have a layer of foam inside them to reduce road noise.
When these need replacing - we won’t be using these expensive tyres. We will use the normal size, speed & load rating tyres that are around half the price of their “Electric” versions. The car stereos on both cars will be louder than the road noise from standard tyres!
We might get a few km less range with standard tyres - but as the Tesla Superchargers are free here - I don’t care.
The BMW costs around £4 for 400km range on our home charger - so again, I don’t care if we get a little less range.
In the time that we have had the Tesla - we have had around 20 free Over the Air software updates that have really improved the driving experience (as well as some toys, games are other nonsense stuff!).
The BMW has only had one OTA update just after we got it - and I believe we might need to book that in to the dealer to update it to the latest version that I have seen mentioned on the iX forums.

My IONIQ 5 came with 'EV' tyres - essentially they have higher load rating (105W) and the internal acoustic strip.


When I needed a new tyre due to an unrepairable puncture, this was the cost from KwikFit:


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It's purely academic, because the car is on a business lease, which covers tyres, so I have no reason to try and save.... but does anyone know how much would a non-EV Michelin Pilot Sport 255/45 R20 tyre cost, for comparison?
 
My IONIQ 5 came with 'EV' tyres - essentially they have higher load rating (105W) and the internal acoustic strip.


When I needed a new tyre due to an unrepairable puncture, this was the cost from KwikFit:


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It's purely academic, because the car is on a business lease, which covers tyres, so I have no reason to try and save.... but does anyone know how much would a non-EV Michelin Pilot Sport 255/45 R20 tyre cost, for comparison?

Just checked prices for the EQE, £260 each on the front, £330 each for the rears 😮
 
You have the model of car (EQE or EQS) I might be driving in about 10 year's time. You happy with it?

So far so good, quiet, smooth, reasonably quick, plenty of tech and cheap to ‘fill up’

Looking forward to the summer to see what the range can stretch to.
 
A friend who has a Tesla 3 performance told me of another owner who he is in contact with who did what you are proposing and ended up binning them for the specified tyre. I can't remember the exact reason (I could find out though) but for whatever reason the non-electric tyres were bad enough to warrant immediate replacement.
Thanks for the heads up!
I have done quite a lot of research and have found non-EV tyres with same load, size & speed rating for around half the EV tyres price - for the Tesla.
We only get rain for 3 or 4 days per year here and the roads are very smooth - so I don’t think we would see the differences that you might get in the UK.
The newer Teslas (ours is a 2023 model) have slightly softer suspension - the early Model 3s would be harsh over bumps.
 
A friend who has a Tesla 3 performance told me of another owner who he is in contact with who did what you are proposing and ended up binning them for the specified tyre. I can't remember the exact reason (I could find out though) but for whatever reason the non-electric tyres were bad enough to warrant immediate replacement.
Surprised by that. I changed the OE tyres on my 3 Performance for Crossclimate2s (so without the foam insert, but at the right speed and weight rating) and have had no problems; if anything slightly quieter and I cannot imagine what would make the car so bad that I needed to change brand new tyres. There isn’t any such thing as “electric tyres” - and you don’t invalidate insurance or warranty by doing what every car owner does and just picking the best tyre for you at the right speed/size/weight rating.

Certainly the prevailing opinion and experience on the Tesla forums is that OE tyres are unnecessary - although there are some reports of some tyre fitters trying it on and saying insurance etc will be invalidated if you don’t have the TO mark - any more than you would by fitting tyres not marked MO to your Merc.
 
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I'm inclined to call b*ll*cks.

I smell marketing here. The EV makers want their cards to be perceived to be quieter so sell them with the tyres that have foam inserts. It's not about need but market differentiation. And having special EV tyres where the buyer doesn't have to worry about load rating masks the high weight of many of these products. Tyre manufacturers may well be having to make tyres in some sizes with specifically higher load ratings just for this market. The tyre retailers like to be able to charge for specialist tyres.

I would add that the implication is that you don't really notice tyre noise in a non-EV. This is b*ll*cks too. I drive an old diesel and like @PXW I like Michelin Cross Climate tyres because I find them quiet. I also notice tyre noise in cars such as MB petrol and disel saloons with larger wheel sizes.
 
A friend who has a Tesla 3 performance told me of another owner who he is in contact with who did what you are proposing and ended up binning them for the specified tyre. I can't remember the exact reason (I could find out though) but for whatever reason the non-electric tyres were bad enough to warrant immediate replacement.
They are literally the same tyre bar the noise isolation foam.
 
Surprised by that. I changed the OE tyres on my 3 Performance for Crossclimate2s (so without the foam insert, but at the right speed and weight rating) and have had no problems; if anything slightly quieter and I cannot imagine what would make the car so bad that I needed to change brand new tyres. There isn’t any such thing as “electric tyres” - and you don’t invalidate insurance or warranty by doing what every car owner does and just picking the best tyre for you at the right speed/size/weight rating.

Certainly the prevailing opinion and experience on the Tesla forums is that OE tyres are unnecessary - although there are some reports of some tyre fitters trying it on and saying insurance etc will be invalidated if you don’t have the TO mark - any more than you would by fitting tyres not marked MO to your Merc.
There’s no issue as long as correct size and load/speed rating.

The noise foam does very little anyway IMO, not noticed a difference between EV and other tyres.
 
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Is that the readout on the dashboard or how far you have actually travelled from one charger to the next. If it's the latter then that's plenty imho.
No one charges to 100% on a fast charger though, it’s more likely a few 10/15 min top ups.
 
The foam inserts are available on normal tyres, but only in certain larger sizes. They are not an EV specific thing. They are not available for my CLS, which annoys me a bit as I like quiet, but it has an odd size. They're also not available for my Leaf as they don't come in smaller sizes. That is currently on Conti Eco Contact 6 and is doing very well.
 
No one charges to 100% on a fast charger though, it’s more likely a few 10/15 min top ups.
Makes sense 👍 . Just wondering under what circumstances 280 miles was achieved (or if it was dashboard readout... which is less reliable as we know from all cars ice or EV).
 

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