The EV fact thread

[BTB 500]

An actual EV fact for anyone like me who might need a bigger vehicle (I currently have a 6 seat Vito Dualiner). Guess how much the electric equivalent costs?

Around £86,000 OTR (£83,850 ex-factory, no options). For a van with seats in the back. The plusher V Class equivalent (EQV) starts at about £90k.

 

[Bellow]

On another diversion, interesting that he's using cross climate tyres all year round, in addition to the usual four wheel drive.

The Alps in winter hold no appeal for me, but I still wonder whether Winter tyres and two wheel drive are actually enough for anyone not living there all through the winter.

From my own experience in NE Scotland, 2WD and appropriate (for snow) tyres suffice.

So much engineering and weight thrown at 4WD vehicles running around on Summer tyres which will never see snow and ice on the School run, let alone the motorway.

American manufacturers do (or did) offer the choice of 2 or 4WD on their truck derived SUVs. Mine is 2WD (with a Gov 80 'locker' in the diff). Lighter and a lot easier to work on - so far so good.

 

[markjay]

On another diversion, interesting that he's using cross climate tyres all year round, in addition to the usual four wheel drive.

The Alps in winter hold no appeal for me, but I still wonder whether Winter tyres and two wheel drive are actually enough for anyone not living there all through the winter.

So much engineering and weight thrown at 4WD vehicles running around on Summer tyres which will never see snow and ice on the School run, let alone the motorway.

Is this Tiger Wood's actual car in the photo? Was he driving a mobile advertisement board for Genesis? I'm guessing he got the car as part of a sponsorship deal then.

 

[Petrol Pete]

I saw this one in Toronto a few months back , looks like a petrol version. Must say I didnt see many of them during recent my travels to the USA.

 

[ALFAitalia]

As of October 2023, Genesis had sold just 1188 cars in the UK, giving it a market share of around 0.05%. By they are new boys on the block and most are not even aware of them....They are slowly going the right way though....Genesis registered 1,000 vehicles in 2022, and just 127 in 2021. I think they might do OK. Who thought Lexus would do as well as they did when they launched the 400....certainly not me. The build quality alone could be enough to tempt people out of prestige marques that are not what they once were! The look great inside. Infiniti etc never really got it right looks and build wise.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Is this Tiger Wood's actual car in the photo? Was he driving a mobile advertisement board for Genesis? I'm guessing he got the car as part of a sponsorship deal then.

Very much so, on both counts.

He was hosting the "Genesis Invitational" golf tournament in Los Angeles and rolled his motor on his way to the event in Spring 2021.

It was alleged that he "hit the wrong pedal," hit a curb, rolled across a carriageway, and then down into a gully.

Big embarrassment at the time, and effectively brought on the end of Tiger's consistent tournament winning career, although he still plays - he just doesn't consistently win any more.

Tiger Woods was driving $50,000 luxury SUV at time of crash

Golfer was driving sponsored Genesis GV80 SUV while in California

www.independent.co.uk

 

[clk320x]

Added to that is the fact that many older people, myself included, wouldn't be able to easily gel with, or fully understand the oversized tablet on the dash of most EVs that has replaced simple switches and levers which can easily be used. Many car manufacturers over the years have these situated in roughly the same place so they are familiar to operate without taking one's eyes off the road for any lengthy period of time. I for one don't use satnav, or have even paired my phone to any car I've owned, it's a distraction I just don't need.
KISS works just fine for me.

Sounds very much like a you problem.

What people like you often seem to fail to realise is no one is forcing you to buy any particular car.

Have you seen the interior of any modern car? EV or ICE - massive screens are part and parcel of modern motoring.

Embrace it or stay in the past.

 

[clk320x]

Very expensive and not perfect. Sounds like they deserve all the criticism they get. Tesla's atrocious panel gaps for instance should not be a common feature on a 'premium' product.

Surprised that so many keep buying them, even with their own money.

I don’t know a single person personally who’s actually bought one and been unhappy - but plenty of internet warriors who haven’t ever sat in one let alone driven one who are. These caring individuals are also extremely concerned about the resale values and financials on behalf of the owners - such kind souls.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

As of October 2023, Genesis had sold just 1188 cars in the UK, giving it a market share of around 0.05%. By they are new boys on the block and most are not even aware of them....They are slowly going the right way though....Genesis registered 1,000 vehicles in 2022, and just 127 in 2021. I think they might do OK. Who thought Lexus would do as well as they did when they launched the 400....certainly not me. The build quality alone could be enough to tempt people out of prestige marques that are not what they once were! The look great inside. Infiniti etc never really got it right looks and build wise.

They're part of Hyundai, which is fabulous, so should do well globally, especially as EU manufacturers are so hampered by the EU regs while American manufacturers.... are too introspective to see beyond the end of their nose.

My challenge is whether the GV80, which has sold 150 cars in the UK, is anywhere near capable of challenging Mercedes and BMW, especially at the top end. Let's face it, Lexus hasn't been much of a success beyond the boulevards of America. A bit too "Doc Martin" for the UK.

Remember as well that our Xenophobic neighbours across "La Manche" are far more Asia sceptic than the Brits. Honda and Toyota failed miserably to establish themselves in Europe.

I have driven a GV80. It was OK - especially from outside - but a bit too Lexus / American / South East Asian for my taste.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Hmm....I wouldn't go that far....I have a couple of customers.....one with never ending electrical issues and one had so many build quality issues (nothing that made it unreliable or stopped it going) that he got out of it after less than a year. He drives a Polestar now.....but I have not had the chance to talk to him about that one yet.
As far as panel gaps go....I do have to agree.....pretty poor.....but I understand the new 3 will be a massive improvement in this area.

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[clk320x]

Hmm....I wouldn't go that far....I have a couple of customers.....one with never ending electrical issues and one had so many build quality issues (nothing that made it unreliable or stopped it going) that he got out of it after less than a year. He drives a Polestar now.....but I have not had the chance to talk to him about that one yet.
As far as panel gaps go....I do have to agree.....pretty poor.....but I understand the new 3 will be a massive improvement in this area.

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The China/Germany made ones are totally fine AFAIK - so all new MYs/3s now.

My X is pretty much perfect, bar one of the falcon wing doors sits 1mm out but no one else would notice.

 

[clk320x]

I have a couple of customers.....one with never ending electrical issues and one had so many build quality issues (nothing that made it unreliable or stopped it going) that he got out of it after less than a year.

Fair enough, I suppose these things affect most manufacturers though to some degree.

I know people who’ve sold their MBs due to peeling paint, timing chains that ate themselves etc etc… and that’s from a marque that’s been making automobiles for 10x longer than Tesla. We still love them though

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Surprised that so many keep buying them, even with their own money.

But not many do buy them with their own money, in the UK. Conflicting rumours: some say 10%, others say less than 20%

Overall, Business users are said to be 75% of the new EV market.

I've recommended the Tesla Y as an option to two people over the last month.

The EV company car case is strong: £400 a month, fully tax deductible, with barely any Benefit In Kind charge for the user. A business driver would be daft to choose a diesel instead. It's virtually free motoring for the individual.

But "after tax" £5k a year plus insurance, from your own money? For something that will halve in value over three years? Strictly for very well paid IT salarymen

But, where once Tesla had the advantage of being essentially the only choice, the competition are snapping at the heels of its First Mover advantage.

 

[clk320x]

But not many do buy them with their own money, in the UK.

I've recommended the Tesla Y as an option to two people over the last month.

The EV company car case is strong: £400 a month, fully tax deductible, with barely any Benefit In Kind charge for the user. A business driver would be daft to choose a diesel instead. It's virtually free motoring for the individual.

But "after tax" £5k a year plus insurance, from your own money? For something that will halve in value over three years? Strictly for the IT types.

But, where once Tesla had the advantage of being essentially the only choice, the competition are snapping at the heels of its First Mover advantage.

Fair enough,

I’m the minority then.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Fair enough,
I’m the minority then.

You're special.

 

[ChipChop]

Sounds very much like a you problem.

What people like you often seem to fail to realise is no one is forcing you to buy any particular car.

Have you seen the interior of any modern car? EV or ICE - massive screens are part and parcel of modern motoring.

Embrace it or stay in the past.

Rather a passive aggressive response.

 

[Bellow]

It won't be Toyota providing the cheaper EV more suited to the general public's needs.

Battery costs too high for electric Toyota Aygo replacement | Autocar

Firm has no immediate plans to offer a small, cheap electric car, making the prospect of an electric Aygo X unlikely

www.autocar.co.uk

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"I know there is a tendency to go lower-end, which is very obvious," he said, but suggested that the technical compromises associated with more affordable electric cars would be a barrier to uptake: "If I look at accessible and affordable components on the market, [...] it means that the offer for a battery-electric vehicle is limited - then we have to really look into the price range."

He said the narrative about electric cars "should move into honesty, and exactly what the customer would take".''

I wonder what those 'compromises' are.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Rather a passive aggressive response.

What he should have said, is buy an EV with more normal looking controls, where the speedometer and key controls are right in front of you, not off to the side "somewhere."

Like this Kia E-Niro

 

[Bellow]

Can anyone answer this? On the V5 of an EV, where is it indicated that it is an EV? Is it under P.3 Fuel Type?

 

[Noitz]

Those people who find the use of touchscreens difficult will find modern ICE cars as challenging as EVs, so this will be a problem with rental cars, not rental EVs.

Did you not mean to say "EVs. per se", or "not just EVs"?