The EV fact thread

[Noitz]

Net Zero is going very well, nothing to see here.

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[Mactech]

Arguably the same could be said about Toyota's attempt to develop the Lexus brand over 30 years ago. Toyota pulled it off, and other manufacturers think that they can do the same.

Yep, I bought two! They were technically advanced enough to be great cars whatever band name was put on them.
Oh! I was working for Toyota at the time.

 

[Mactech]

Genesis cars are built on Hyundai technology. The Genesis EVs share the new Hyundai/Kia Electric Global Modular Platform (E-MGP) with other Hyundai/Kia EVs to include the Hyundai IONIQ 5 & 7 and the Kia EV6.

Understood. It will interesting how the marketing people position the cars. Whilst the press reports are good, looking at one or buying them seems remarkably difficult.

 

[philnewmerc]

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Fascinating talk on lithium battery safety... Sleep well

 

[markjay]

EVs do get bad press, see for example (from the US):

02 Nov 2023:

An electric car costs $50,000 in subsidies over 10 years, study claims

The true cost of electric cars to the average American taxpayer has been laid bare by a landmark new study into the eco vehicles.

www.dailymail.co.uk

01 Dec 2023:

Electric cars encounter nearly 80% more problems than gas alternatives

EV owners report far more problems with their cars and trucks than owners of gas-powered vehicles, according to a new survey.

www.dailymail.co.uk

13 Dec 2023:

Ford announces it will slash production of its F-150 Lightning in half

Ford is halving production of its fully electric F-150 Lightning pick-up truck - due to falling demand for EVs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

15 Dec 2023:

Half of EVs fall short on their official range by as much as 50 miles

Bad news for EV owners with range anxiety - a half of electric cars go don't even go as far as makers claims. A real-world test of 22 electric cars has found that 10 fell short of their advertised range.

www.dailymail.co.uk

16 Jan 2024:

'Tesla graveyards' form in parts of Chicago

Tesla supercharging stations around Chicago have become what some residents are referring to as 'Tesla graveyards' as the frigid arctic blast has run their batteries flat.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Sensible concerns, and populist scaremongering?

 

[clk320x]

Net Zero is going very well, nothing to see here.

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The first example, the owner drove to a station that’s closed - it would have shown that on his car screen had he checked. User error as always.
How do EV drivers survive in Norway etc? This is just fools not understanding how to use their cars in different conditions.

 

[markjay]

This is the range issue in a nutshell:

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The guy is being fair, he has no issues with the car itself, however the official advertised range (WLTP I guess?) does not meet his particular use profile.

Not sure if it's a Tesla issues or a WLTP issue, but either way when advertising WLTP range (or any other standard) is needs to be clarified that the actual mileage can differ based on driving conditions.

In fact, this is true also for ICE cars, many owners have complained in the past that the actual mpg in day-to-day driving was nowhere near the official mpg figures published by the manufacturer for Thier model of car.

 

[Noitz]

In fact, this is true also for ICE cars, many owners have complained in the past that the actual mpg in day-to-day driving was nowhere near the official mpg figures published by the manufacturer for Thier model of car.

And I think we can all agree that ICE car range is further reduced in sub zero conditions, but nothing as drastic as EVs suffer. Also, in ICE cars the heater (vital in cold conditions) is simply a by product of the power plant, unlike in EVs where the drive train battery has to supply the heat thus shortening its range even further. I suppose they could drive without the heater on to increase their range somewhat.

 

[markjay]

And I think we can all agree that ICE car range is further reduced in sub zero conditions, but nothing as drastic as EVs suffer. Also, in ICE cars the heater (vital in cold conditions) is simply a by product of the power plant, unlike in EVs where the drive train battery has to supply the heat thus shortening its range even further. I suppose they could drive without the heater on to increase their range somewhat.

You could equally drive an ICE car with the aircon off to increase range, but the Aussies for example might not be too keen on this solution....

 

[Petrol Pete]

I’m not so sure, plenty of 70+ year olds on the EV clubs, so I don’t think it’s an age thing - more a mindset thing.

Or they are 70+ years old so have fruck all to do all day but to read the manual that was supplied with their new car....just sayin'

 

[Noitz]

Or they are 70+ years old so have fruck all to do all day but to read the manual that was supplied with their new car....just sayin'

How on earth would you know what a 70+ year old does during the day?

 

[Petrol Pete]

How on earth would you know what a 70+ year old does during the day?

I might be one .

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Hasn’t Genesis recently announced their withdrawal as a standalone brand in the UK?

Hyundai Genesis culled from UK line-up due to poor sales | Autocar

Slow-selling saloon has been dropped; name could eventually be used on new, luxury brand

www.autocar.co.uk

“Genesis will continue to sell a full range of models through its own-brand dealer network despite an operational merger with parent company Hyundai.

“Genesis Motor UK will no longer exist as a standalone company from January 2024, as first reported by Car Dealer magazine, its operations being rolled fully into Hyundai Motor UK”

Genesis and Hyundai merger won't impact UK sales | Autocar

Customers will notice no change in the way Genesis operates, despite significant shift in company's back office

www.autocar.co.uk

 

[Petrol Pete]

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Fascinating talk on lithium battery safety... Sleep well

Hopefully everyone on here with an EV or a LEV will watch this , we might also hope those who manage/own ferries/tunnels/ hotels/shopping centres/underground car parks/blocks of flats/office blocks etc also absorb it.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Hopefully everyone on here with an EV or a LEV will watch this , we might also hope those who manage/own ferries/tunnels/ hotels/shopping centres/underground car parks/blocks of flats/office blocks etc also absorb it.

It’s the 21st century.

Regulators set these standards for us.

 

[Noitz]

Hopefully everyone on here with an EV or a LEV will watch this , we might also hope those who manage/own ferries/tunnels/ hotels/shopping centres/underground car parks/blocks of flats/office blocks etc also absorb it.

I think they'd rather put their fingers in their ears and yell "LA LA LA".

 

[Petrol Pete]

It’s the 21st century.

Regulators set these standards for us.

Regulators can not be trusted when the stakes are this high.

 

[markjay]

Or they are 70+ years old so have fruck all to do all day but to read the manual that was supplied with their new car....just sayin'

Manual....? Supplied with the car...? That's so last decade, it's s all on the app now

 

[BTB 500]

I suppose they could drive without the heater on to increase their range somewhat.

I saw this earlier:

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The 2024 eVito costs a small fortune and has a WLTP range (unladen) of around 160 miles. In winter and on the M1, a lot less. In part 1 of his review he had to stop at the motorway services to recharge, at 79p per kWh.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Manual....? Supplied with the car...? That's so last decade, it's s all on the app now

And we are worse off for it . The sheer agony of reading the manual of your poverty spec company car and seeing all of the goodies in the manual that your car could have if you had tried harder at school and became a manager and not just a wage slave .

Or the joy of having the top model and laughing at all the Peons below who did not have the heated seat option etc... .

happy days.