UK proposals: Cycle Streets With 15mph Limit And No Overtaking

[Pacamack]

This is really easy roads were built for cars and vehicles not cyclists. Ban them from all public roads and let them run on cycle paths adjacent to the pavement like they do in Germany. Problem solved. Cyclists and vehicles don't mix any basic risk assessment will tell you that so remove the interaction and the problem, get cyclists off the road and safety improves, simples ;-)

I'm a MAMIL and yet I still get up to speeds in excess of 40mph, I'm not sure the pedestrians would be too chuffed at your suggestion.

 

[MR.55AMG]

There is no such thing. But they do pay for the roads.. It's called paye, vat, road fund, capital gains, etc.

Wise up

Wise up ........... What about cyclists on the doll, if your on the doll you don't get free road tax do ya

 

[kianok]

Wise up ........... What about cyclists on the doll, if your on the doll you don't get free road tax do ya

On the what?

I think that's a different topic entirely.

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

Lol, inflatable dolls or dole?

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

I'm a MAMIL and yet I still get up to speeds in excess of 40mph, I'm not sure the pedestrians would be too chuffed at your suggestion.

It seems to work in Holland and Germany. Pedestrians on the pavement, cyclists on the cycle lane, cars on the road.

 

[Pacamack]

It seems to work in Holland and Germany. Pedestrians on the pavement, cyclists on the cycle lane, cars on the road.

If someone is going to run dedicate cycle lanes alongside the UK road network I'm all for it!

 

[markjay]

Wise up ........... What about cyclists on the doll, if your on the doll you don't get free road tax do ya

And what about tourists who rent Barclays bikes in London... or illegal immigrants?

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

If someone is going to run dedicate cycle lanes alongside the UK road network I'm all for it!

Indeed, it would be far safer for everyone. New road designs are one thing, but retrofitting cycle lanes alongside existing roads and pavements would be an enormous undertaking that would truly test the keeness of tptb for building cycle lanes that are safe to use for cyclists.

 

[Sp!ke]

They should retrofit engines to bicycles then we wouldn't need to have separate lanes for them. Much cheaper than building cycle paths.

 

[ItalianTuneUp]

They should retrofit engines to bicycles then we wouldn't need to have separate lanes for them. Much cheaper than building cycle paths.

Great idea! We could call them...motorbikes!

 

[Sp!ke]

Actually, on a serious note, I saw a very odd looking bike the other day. It looked like a sort of home made yellow off road type thing with fat tyres and full suspensionwith Land Rover written on it. This thing was doing probably 45mph with small fat wheels/tyres and seemingly not too much effort.

I couldn't see an electric motor or a battery but I can only assume it must have had a hub centric motor and his back pack included a pretty large battery.

Is this sort of thing legal or would it be skirting outside the law in terms of its power?

Whatever it was it looked a right giggle.

 

[buccal]

I see one of these fairly regularly


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[Dryce]

Do zero emission vehicles not use roads?

Unlike zero emission vehicle bicycles incur the extra costs of those stupid ASL markings and lane markings.

If bicycles had just been invented then the debate would be whether there was even the remotest prospect of using them on the road. It would be argued that they were unsafe and an extra danger to pedestrians and there would be discussion on licensing and taxation.

So we have to live with them. So .....

I think cyclists should be taxed with a small VED type charge to cover insurance - and a licensing scheme for riders with a requirement to be able to show identity should it be reqested by a suitable authority - plus points based penalties for infringements. They should als be subject to speed limits in urban areas.

 

[RKC-benz]

I have dark thoughts sometimes... most times actually, that cyclists should be beaten with sticks, not big sticks, just small thin ones with enough flex to inflict serious pain but not death or lasting injury.

Are you a moderator on this forum!

 

[RKC-benz]

This is really easy roads were built for cars and vehicles not cyclists. Ban them from all public roads and let them run on cycle paths adjacent to the pavement like they do in Germany. Problem solved. Cyclists and vehicles don't mix any basic risk assessment will tell you that so remove the interaction and the problem, get cyclists off the road and safety improves, simples ;-)

Bike older than car. Bike on road before car even thought of. Simple - you're wrong.

 

[RKC-benz]

Wise up ........... What about cyclists on the doll, if your on the doll you don't get free road tax do ya

They pay vat.

 

[cb1965]

I think this thread has got away from a good point raised earlier and that is that unless there is some traceability for cyclists we can make all the rules in the world yet a proportion of cyclists will just take no notice.

About 7 years ago I was waiting to join the main road in the village I live in and watched two cyclists fail to stop at the zebra crossing and nearly hit a woman and her kid who were crossing. I caught up with them further down the road and asked them what they were playing at. I then got told that as I had no idea who they were I could f**k off. These were middle aged men not young louts. They also had the stupid obligatory head cams on yet something tells me they may not have posted that little incident on their holier than thou YouTube channel!!

 

[Fady]

Unlike zero emission vehicle bicycles incur the extra costs of those stupid ASL markings and lane markings.

If bicycles had just been invented then the debate would be whether there was even the remotest prospect of using them on the road. It would be argued that they were unsafe and an extra danger to pedestrians and there would be discussion on licensing and taxation.

So we have to live with them. So .....

I think cyclists should be taxed with a small VED type charge to cover insurance - and a licensing scheme for riders with a requirement to be able to show identity should it be reqested by a suitable authority - plus points based penalties for infringements. They should als be subject to speed limits in urban areas.

Hasn't this all been discussed to the nth degree and been deemed unworkable? Where in the world is there a successful system that taxes cyclists or has them bearing a number plate or makes it compulsory for them to have a speedometer on their bike? Apparently 87% of cyclists are also regular car drivers, so they do already pay VED - just that it's difficult to be on in a car and on a bike at the same time. And it is much more difficult to regulate your speed on a bike (think urban area uphill,
urban area downhill) and attempting to do so would simply make you a bigger road risk. As regards showing identity to a 'suitable authority' - I'm not showing my driving licence to anyone but the police. By the same token anyone other than the police who wanted to know who I was if I was riding a bike has no authority to do so. This argument goes around in circles and always ends up back in the same place!

 

[markjay]

...Apparently 87% of cyclists are also regular car drivers, so they do already pay VED - just that it's difficult to be on in a car and on a bike at the same time....

Why is this a consideration? As I pointed-out in previous post, someone who owns two cars is still paying the VED twice, so why a special concession for car owners whose second vehicle is a bike?

 

[Pacamack]

Why is this a consideration? As I pointed-out in previous post, someone who owns two cars is still paying the VED twice, so why a special concession for car owners whose second vehicle is a bike?

Bike = low emission = no VED
Fiat 500 Twinair = low emission = no VED
Toyota Prius = low emission = no VED
A N Other low emission vehicle = low emission = no VED

I'm not sure how else to explain why you don't have to pay VED on a bike.