W212 E63 AMG S worth it over the normal AMG?

[badgx]

Change spark plugs yes, preferably with mb ones and only change the packs when you know and can feel it's misfiring, should also throw a code too, you can scan it

 

[E55BOF]

The coils are individual anyway, so if there is a misfire on one pot you only have to change one, not the whole cylinder bank.

 

[f17ant]

The coils are individual anyway, so if there is a misfire on one pot you only have to change one, not the whole cylinder bank.

I think it’s cylinder 8 if my memory serves me correct

 

[jonboyE63]

The chap at one of the tuning garages I was speaking to about fitting a capristo exhaust on mine just mentioned coil packs may be the one weakness on these engines in his opinion. I was looking looking to have the spark plugs potentially changed so will ask them to test the coil packs

I haven't had any coil pack issues (so far) but I did have a misfire on cylinder 7 due to damaged ignition lead - it first appeared in Luxembourg on a Saturday morning, luckily for me the local AMG dealer was open & a friendly engineer ran a full diagnosis, pulled the plug, checked the coil & when the problem didn't go away he checked the ignition lead & it had a unexplained split - luckily they carried the lead in stock & hey presto I was off again south towards the Dolomites..
I seem to remember the car pulling even harder once the lead was fitted so it must've been nursing the split for some time - since the issue last summer it's been 100% full fat..!!

 

[jimjamiejames]

Agreed, bought mine on 50,000 miles over 4 years ago, it's now on 105,000 miles & drives just as well as it did when i bought & i've had no serious issues - with all the power available on tap the engine is never really put under any stress & feels like it will last forever..

93k on mine and looking forward to many more happy miles

 

[E55BOF]

Agreed, bought mine on 50,000 miles over 4 years ago, it's now on 105,000 miles & drives just as well as it did when i bought & i've had no serious issues - with all the power available on tap the engine is never really put under any stress & feels like it will last forever..

My 2012 E63 threw a massive wobbly and bent several conrods at about 88K miles....

The engine was rebuilt by Lorenzo, one of Terry Gates's guys (all new conrods and pistons, No 1 pot bored out and linered; crankshaft was perfect, as were all the other bores). Cut a long story short, the conrods are a bit marginal, and Mercedes' original map on the early 550 bhp was apparently very aggressive.

However, last time I was down there getting the CLS 63 (same engine, 550 bhp 590 lb ft) serviced, chatting to Terry he mentioned, which I was not aware of, that Lorenzo had said, after driving it, that it was the fastest M157 he'd ever driven, and specifically that the torque was unreal. Terry wondered, and now so do I, whether it had been remapped. The previous owner never mentioned it, but if it had been, that might go some way to explaining what happened.

The fatal flaw which was eventually the engine's undoing was an intermittent fault with the intercooler coolant pump, which did not throw up a fault code, but I won't be having the CLS remapped, just in case...

 

[badgx]

Me neither, Im remaining stock tune. In all honesty, I don't see why we need to tune it further, stock tune is more than enough for our roads

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Me neither, Im remaining stock tune. In all honesty, I don't see why we need to tune it further, stock tune is more than enough for our roads

For me, that’s what makes the S worthwhile finding and paying a little extra for. In most models the S (or Performance Pack) model has more power than the non-S/PP model, whilst being completely standard.

 

[SmartAmg]

Me neither, Im remaining stock tune. In all honesty, I don't see why we need to tune it further, stock tune is more than enough for our roads

And ability, in most cases, probably.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Its very small and safe map to get the extra 35 horse or so to get S levels of power. The only thing that puts me off a proper S model is the outrageously priced brake parts and lack of after market alternatives....

 

[badgx]

Just wondering, does the car make this kind of noise when the conrods are bend a bit? I saw this silver one last summer and walked away after hearing the engine run. It didn't sound right, sounded like a loud injector and making scrapping noise. I took a video to show everyone, it sounded very faulty. Great body work though, I think it had 44k on the clock, maybe 3 or 4 owners if I remember correctly.

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[ant1]

That does not sound good at all. Unless by freak of nature a injector has gone, that’s a rod trying to break free.

 

[HappytalkAgain]

.....and the 212 (in both PFL and FL shapes) is far better looking that the "slightly melted".

I’d maybe agree for the saloon but In estate guise the 213 wins hands down. Again, all boils down to personal preference.

Internally the 212 looks very outdated just like the 204 C Class.

Agree with the tech (potentially) failing, especially from a DIY’ers perspective. No easy fix compared to changing a simple switch/dial I guess. But I’d still go for the tech every Time.

 

[E55BOF]

Mine was quite quiet - well, as quiet as the M157 usually is; it's not a quiet engine - until the day I started it up from cold, and there was a very loud tapping from just no. 1 cylinder. That was the damaged cylinder, and the piston skirt was very worn down on one side. Terry Gates reckoned it was chronic piston slap on just that one pot; using a stethoscope, the sound seemed to be coming from lower down on that cylinder, not from the top end.

 

[badgx]

Tasos also seems to think it's from the bottom end rather than the top. He seems to think it could be a clearance issue on the m157

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[f17ant]

Tasos also seems to think it's from the bottom end rather than the top. He seems to think it could be a clearance issue on the m157

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Love this guys video, proper strong Greek accent like my dad

 

[f17ant]

Mine was quite quiet - well, as quiet as the M157 usually is; it's not a quiet engine - until the day I started it up from cold, and there was a very loud tapping from just no. 1 cylinder. That was the damaged cylinder, and the piston skirt was very worn down on one side. Terry Gates reckoned it was chronic piston slap on just that one pot; using a stethoscope, the sound seemed to be coming from lower down on that cylinder, not from the top end.

To be fair these engines and the m177 have loud injectors and sometimes tricky to tell noises apart

 

[badgx]

Love this guys video, proper strong Greek accent like my dad

The guy is a legend, he can dismantle an AMG engine and put it all back together like lego and he does this day in and day out. He's just upload a video on M177, not sure what's wrong with that engine but that's probably another story

 

[f17ant]

The guy is a legend, he can dismantle an AMG engine and put it all back together like lego and he does this day in and day out. He's just upload a video on M177, not sure what's wrong with that engine but that's probably another story

I message him once on Instagram asking about general reliability regarding M177,M177 M157 and they all pretty strong it’s just “bad” remaps that kill them the good remaps are fine with normal maintenance

 

[AMGeed]

I message him once on Instagram asking about general reliability regarding M177,M177 M157 and they all pretty strong it’s just “bad” remaps that kill them the good remaps are fine with normal maintenance

That was my experience with a remapped M157. Totally trouble free in 3 yrs until I sold it.