Was stopped lastnight for speeding and given 3 points..

[Mark300SL]

So if he was tagged at 45 - then his speedo will have quite likely been showing 48/49mph or more, at the slowest.

Many traffic cops will do you for the lesser offence, sometimes depending on your attitude as has been mentioned earlier. But none that I'm aware of will do you out of spite!

Thanks Pammy - pretty much confims my own thoughts

 

[Mark300SL]

No but the MBclub coppers may not be indicative of the wider force

True - but they seem to be the target

If threads are being voiced about the occupation in general then there can't be many who post this dross without thinking they are not going to put someones back up ?
If that is the case however then its intentional, but if it were any other sector of society then the posts would be reported left right and centre and the masses would want to see some form of retribution.

We don't allow users to target anyone here on the basis of their nationality/race/colour/sexual orientation or any other individual profession yet the police are seen on here as free targets open for abuse

Lawyers, and even two faced politicians dont get that level of attention

 

[whitenemesis]

From another thread on here;

http://www.sentencing-guidelines.gov...nes_update.pdf

 

[UnMarked]

I pay road Tax for both my vehicles and Pay my Council Tax which funds the Police and now they are robbing me on the way to work where funny enough I pay Income Tax for their salaries too.

And to think I've been blaming the Home Office for my miserly 1.9% pay rise Maybe we haven't been giving out enough tickets and the coffers are empty?

 

[Dragon]

And to think I've been blaming the Home Office for my miserly 1.9% pay rise Maybe we haven't been giving out enough tickets and the coffers are empty?

You are lucky to get 1.9% pay rise, some 4,000 put on the dole yesterday at Lehman.

 

[PXW]

I think there is a genuine debate lurking in here -- but it's not one that falls within the guidelines! Personally, I have some sympathy with those who feel aggrieved at being done for relatively minor speeding infractions, and I find myself hugely irritated by the 'if you don't want the fine don't do the crime - you broke the law by going 3mph (or whatever) over' brigade. But - with occasional exceptions of rude/bullying behaviour which UnMarked an CC etc would also acknowledge - I really don't see it as a policing issue but rather as a political issue (and hence outside the guidelines ). Like all government employee groups, the police are essentially told what to do - and the government over the last few years has made a clear policy objective to make speeding as socially unacceptable as drink driving. The strong reaction we see from some members here is I suspect rooted in aversion to that policy - and to that extent I would agree with them, because there is an inherent intellectual dishonesty in it. But - cave the odd exceptions that I referred to (which will happen in any profession) - it isn't really down to the police.

I'd like to see decent debate on this from a policy perspective - but that would of course mean the police bashers need to re-focus and the police defenders need to moderate their responses, which IMHO are just as inflammatory. Or am I just dreaming....

 

[pammy]

You are lucky to get 1.9% pay rise, some 4,000 put on the dole yesterday at Lehman.

Relevant to this thread how? I'm sorry for people who lose their jobs like this - but it is not lucky to have a much lower than the rate of inflation pay rise in effect forcing a pay cut.

I'd like to see decent debate on this from a policy perspective - but that would of course mean the police bashers need to re-focus and the police defenders need to moderate their responses, which IMHO are just as inflammatory. Or am I just dreaming....

If there wasn't this glut of police bashing there wouldn't need to be so much putting the record straight, or defending.

 

[PXW]

If there wasn't this glut of police bashing there wouldn't need to be so much putting the record straight, or defending.

Ah, the very essence of hundreds of years of disputes from Northen Ireland to the Balkans - they started it

Note I did aim my comment at both sides ....and did acknowledge I might be dreaming

 

[Donza]

Just woke up..

This thread really grew...

 

[robert.saunders]

I think there is a genuine debate lurking in here -- but it's not one that falls within the guidelines! Personally, I have some sympathy with those who feel aggrieved at being done for relatively minor speeding infractions, and I find myself hugely irritated by the 'if you don't want the fine don't do the crime - you broke the law by going 3mph (or whatever) over' brigade... Like all government employee groups, the police are essentially told what to do - and the government over the last few years has made a clear policy objective to make speeding as socially unacceptable as drink driving... I'd like to see decent debate on this from a policy perspective - but that would of course mean the police bashers need to re-focus and the police defenders need to moderate their responses, which IMHO are just as inflammatory. Or am I just dreaming....

Excuse my editing of your post in my quote; there is a genuine debate available, and you're right, it would be political.

I'm firmly in the camp where if you get caught, don't whine about the system - it's not the fault of the police, speeding is an absolute offence. The police are simply, in this instance of the OP, enforcing the law. Do I have sympathy? Yes, I do actually. But the decision to control the speed of the car is down to the driver, and if that's too fast in that it breaks a law, and one is caught doing so - that's life. Tough as it is.

An accepted stance from those who get caught where it's stated "hands up, I was wrong" will receive, certainly from me, a firm thumbs up. Then, we can discuss the problems with the bigger picture - the policy makers, the politics involved; but as we know, that's a banned topic on this forum, and fair enough say I.

My views? I think speed limits are wrong in many areas, and some, such as motorways, are far too low. That's my opinion. But none of that is the fault of the police. I can accept that, is it really that hard, or am I too easy going?

 

[Dragon]

Ah, the very essence of hundreds of years of disputes from Northen Ireland to the Balkans - they started it

Note I did aim my comment at both sides ....and did acknowledge I might be dreaming

Yes you are dreaming, go back to bed. Sleep well.

 

[Dieselman]

Ah, the very essence of hundreds of years of disputes from Northen Ireland to the Balkans - they started it

Note I did aim my comment at both sides ....and did acknowledge I might be dreaming

It's easy to make flippant inflammatory comments and it was acknowledged that you aimed your comment at both sides. However, what your post failed to convey is that only 'one side' is breaching forum rules with their political posts and harassment of forum members.
The more certain members try to harass other forum members the greater the defense of those members will be.

In the main I agree with your previous post and the message conveyed, but this forum isn't the place to continually discuss the politics of the laws of this land.
If members want to debate that, then they should find a suitable forum to do that.

Just in case anyone isn't clear on the rules of this forum I have attached the link for them.
http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/announcement.php?f=17

Please note:
2. No Spamming

- This includes trying to sell illegal copyrighted goods via the forum and/or posting comments that will intimidate, promote or generate hatred or conflict amongst users
IMO this says we shouldn't attempt to intimidate members due to their background, or at all. Obviously as this is happening, and the Admin team haven't yet enforced the rules, then other members will come to the defense of the ones being intimidated.

and:
6. Prohibited links and subject matter

- We do not support anything illegal or inappropriate.

I always understood breaking the law to be illegal. Maybe I'm wrong.
As I have often said, I have and sometimes do speed, but if caught I have and would take that on the chin and accept the punishment accordingly, which unless there is extreme abuse of the law, the punishment is minor. A license endorsement and a fine to make one appreciate the penalty. Pretty minor stuff really.

Lastly;

9. Pointless posts / Multiple posting

- Do not post unless you have something to say that is related to the topic.

Posting about the Police/Law and the politics of it have been interjected into nearly every topic discussed in the general section of late, usually out of context to the main topic.
This was reasonably interesting the first few times but has become seriously boring since becoming the norm, especially since most of the information is inaccurate and designed to be political and harassment of members.

Of course this is only my opinion and interpretation of the forum rules. We could probably do with some clarification from the Admin.

 

[st4]

And to think I've been blaming the Home Office for my miserly 1.9% pay rise Maybe we haven't been giving out enough tickets and the coffers are empty?

No offense but have you seen the economy out there and whats going on, I'd be thankful just to have a secure job, never mind a pay rise. Yes inflation is on the rise etc but you've still got a job. It would be bordering on the dillusional to expect much more, yes you say you work hard, but what pays the police comes from the public coffer, and that has to be funded from those in the private sector, and if thats struggling.....

 

[davidjpowell]

I was driving my Audi A4 lastnight..
Apparantly I was 5 miles over the limit. But my speed was going "up and down"

He made me pull to the side of a dangerous road, took my details and told me to take the slip to my local police station.

Upon arriving at the station i would have to pay 60 quid and have three points.

All the while, it seemed he had a trainee Police Officer in the passenger seat. Who could barely make out my numberplate. Hence the the reason i think she was a trainee.

Why dont they go and do a proper job and catch the chavs who broke into my girlfriends house lastweek?

One good thing that came out of it was. "Thats a nice car, look after it".


How long does it take to have the 3 points removed? is it three years?

Going back to the original post by Donza... Up until he enquired why don't they do a proper job, I had some limited sympathy.

I am happy to admit that I do not always read the speedo as closely as I should. If I get stopped (which has happened from time to time) then the only you can be is honest and reasonable. If your speed was not that excessive, in my experience, a ticking off is more likely.

I've had a few of these, including one on the A1, where I happened to notice the patrol car pacing me. He pulled up beside me, matched my speed and waved his finger. He was fully aware that I knew and he knew. We then followed each other for 15 miles, until he pulled off and waved at me! Had I been driving more quicky or perhaps reacted negatively to his warning, I am sure that I would have been stopped.

Likeways an experience a few years ago in Wales, where I overtook a marked police car as the limit changed. Rather than reduce speed next him I crawled past and consequently was stopped. I have to say he was not the most pleasant guy, who was determined that I was going faster than I was. I just said that I am not going to argue with you. I ended up with a producer, but no ticket.

Anyway what I am trying to say, is if you speed you run the risk of a ticket, even for 5 mph over the limit. My experince, touch wood, is that if you are genuinly polite and regretful, you would likely end up with a warning. If however you are not, or have a go with the old 'why are you not doing a proper job', then you can only expect them to do so and give a ticket out!

As for the police bashing on the forum, it is tiresome, but the members of the Police seem to handle it well. It's a shame that the police bashers do not have the same tolerence for the other viewpoint.

And as for pay I do think that the Police haver every right to be outraged. When there is an indepndant pay formula, for your employers to ignore what it recommends, makes the whole process worthless. It would be poor from a two bit employer, but from a government who should know about carigng for employees, it is unacceptable.

David

 

[Apial]

As far as I was aware, serving Police officers of some forces should not make public their personal views and opinions that identify themselves as police officers. In fact some forces prohibit their officers from making any public comments without the express permission of their force.

If police officers enter into a debate on a public forum they risk bringing the police force into disrepute with unauthorised statements and opinions. Perhaps all the known serving officers on this forum who have identified themselves as such should find a new user identity?

I think it is wrong for Police officers to enter into this type of debate as the impatiality of the Police is of the utmost importance in maintaining the publics goodwill. Policing in this country has always been by public consent.

For similar reasons it is not lawful for a Police officer to stand for public office. Police officers are expected to remain impartial and politically neutral, and by becoming officers of the law they have to sacrifice this usual freedom.

Police baiting on this forum would not take place if there were no Police here to bait!

I must make it clear that I have no objections at all from anyone posting their personal opinion on here, provided that they are wearing their private hat and not a police one.

 

[pammy]

As far as I was aware, serving Police officers of some forces should not make public their personal views and opinions that identify themselves as police officers. In fact some forces prohibit their officers from making any public comments without the express permission of their force.

If police officers enter into a debate on a public forum they risk bringing the police force into disrepute with unauthorised statements and opinions. Perhaps all the known serving officers on this forum who have identified themselves as such should find a new user identity?

I think it is wrong for Police officers to enter into this type of debate as the impatiality of the Police is of the utmost importance in maintaining the publics goodwill. Policing in this country has always been by public consent.

For similar reasons it is not lawful for a Police officer to stand for public office. Police officers are expected to remain impartial and politically neutral, and by becoming officers of the law they have to sacrifice this usual freedom.

Police baiting on this forum would not take place if there were no Police here to bait!

I must make it clear that I have no objections at all from anyone posting their personal opinion on here, provided that they are wearing their private hat and not a police one.

Can't say I've seen any saying they are acting in any form of official capacity all simply stating their own point of view Don't see how any has come in the same universe as brining any force into disrepute - byt if we'd rather we totally cut out a certain element of the forum and the genuine help and advice they offer - from a personal perspective - so be it........... let's tar public servants again and not allow them an opinion.....

 

[recycled]

I wish the political issue will be clarified.
Is it a political topic, mentioning a political party, mentioning a politician, or mentioning the word government/taxes.
Some members are clearly insinuating that mentioning labour is not allowed on the forum and political names or figures, even though i can see them using the same terms else where in their own posts.

Any clarity will be welcomed please, or is there a total blanket ban on anything political .
people use king and queen ,government and the like with impunity.
Is this political or not?
Thanks

 

[davidjpowell]

Can't say I've seen any saying they are acting in any form of official capacity all simply stating their own point of view Don't see how any has come in the same universe as brining any force into disrepute - byt if we'd rather we totally cut out a certain element of the forum and the genuine help and advice they offer - from a personal perspective - so be it........... let's tar public servants again and not allow them an opinion.....

Pammy I cetainly hope that Apial sentiment is not one through the Forum. I believe that the gentlemen who we know are Police Officers do not make a thing of posting the 'Police version' merely that their personal views are simlar, which is not surprising given their job.

I do not think I have ever seen anyone give direct comment on any specific case or scenario, just useful and informative background, which I for one would miss.

These people do not generally bring their job into the post, albeit people who are here reguarly do tend to be aware of the providence of their view. I would rather hear it from someone who has the background to give proper detail than read a guess from the man on the t'internet.

David

 

[SimonsMerc]

let's tar public servants again and not allow them an opinion.....

It's no fun unless we feather them too. Tarring and feathering for all public servants! +1!

 

[cmarkod]

Just to let you know that this is my own personal opinion and not a professional judgement.........

Apial you are a twonk! Why should members have to create new usernames because they have shared their profession with the forum?