Why buy new diesel cars?

[Deleted member 37751]

This thread reminds me of a certain time on the forum where certain people would start controversial threads, generalising a big percentage of the forum with snidey little digs but when challenged would become all indignant at the suggestion that they were the one stirring it up and would then try and play the victim card "oooh, looking at everyone ganging up on me" when that was the obvious objective all along.

 

[steve333]

This thread reminds me of a certain time on the forum where certain people would start controversial threads, generalising a big percentage of the forum with snidey little digs but when challenged would become all indignant at the suggestion that they were the one stirring it up and would then try and play the victim card "oooh, looking at everyone ganging up on me" when that was the obvious objective all along.

Thought those days we're gone Lee-one of the main reasons I stopped posting regularly was due to the reasons you've just mentioned,shame really as their are some decent and very helpful people on here and a few sh*t stirring idiots......

 

[Deleted member 65149]

This thread reminds me of a certain time on the forum where certain people would start controversial threads, generalising a big percentage of the forum with snidey little digs but when challenged would become all indignant at the suggestion that they were the one stirring it up and would then try and play the victim card "oooh, looking at everyone ganging up on me" when that was the obvious objective all along.

It's good to know you stopped.

 

[Yugguy]

This thread was started with the premise that new diesel drivers are either stupid, ignorant, bad people, or even all three. Given that many on here drive diesels the description of "controversial threads, generalising a big percentage of the forum with snidey little digs " is completely accurate.

Don't the people who buy new cars ever take notice of these warnings? Or is it just that they don't care about anyone else? Don't they realise that they're also putting the lives of their loved ones at risk? Or is it simply that they don't think about such things, preferring instead to concentrate solely on their own pockets?

I've heard all the excuses such as "The CO2 levels are lower in diesels so fit within my company car limits", or "The manufacturers don't provide enough choice of petrol cars", or "People die from drinking, smoking and all sorts of other things". To me, they all sound like shrugging shoulders - "Not my problem"

So is that it? People just don't care!

 

[developer]

This thread reminds me of a certain time on the forum where certain people would start controversial threads, generalising a big percentage of the forum with snidey little digs but when challenged would become all indignant at the suggestion that they were the one stirring it up and would then try and play the victim card "oooh, looking at everyone ganging up on me" when that was the obvious objective all along.

Before home cinema and blu-ray/cheap beer/xhamster (delete as applicable) those threads were part of the evening's entertainment, as the OP's withered under their own stupidity, in a very public way .

Some of the "certain people" are still around on here - occasionally lobbing a grenade from behind their wall, before skulking away to spy on what they've created - but members have better things to concentrate effort on these days and the majority on here see them for the pre-pubescents they are.

Quite notable by their absence these days.

However, the OP doesn't fit into this category - well before his time - and he uses reasoned argument (you may agree with him or you may not) whereas the agitators just, er, agitate.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

You could argue that threads like this (and the more interesting forum characters) add some vitality to the forum.
It could be a rather turgid environment otherwise, I was a member on one of the VW forums for a while and it was very dull indeed, not unlike the Passat that I was driving at the time.

In my view the more characterful members make the forum interesting while some of the more bland members actually contribute very little of interest.
Some posts I will only skim-read when others will almost always deserve more attentive reading.

 

[Proeliator2001]

I bought a modern diesel so I could get sworn at by lorry drivers for filling up with adblue at "their" pumps. You'd miss out on that fun if you bought a petrol!

Until modern petrols can better match diesels for economy in real world driving I'll still lean towards the dirtier car. Modern petrols can return excellent mpg if driven very gently but in my experience mpg crashes down further and far more easily than diesels do once you use a bit of throttle.

 

[tec]

The original post is a bit pointless really.

It's like asking why people buy charcoal barbecues when they can use a microwave, or the grill in the kitchen oven.

 

[HB]

This thread reminds me of a certain time on the forum where certain people would start controversial threads, generalising a big percentage of the forum with snidey little digs but when challenged would become all indignant at the suggestion that they were the one stirring it up and would then try and play the victim card "oooh, looking at everyone ganging up on me" when that was the obvious objective all along.

Actually, I think DM would deal with this guy quite well.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

However, the OP doesn't fit into this category - well before his time - and he uses reasoned argument (you may agree with him or you may not)

Posting inflammatory anti-diesel drivel at pretty much every opportunity doesn't strike me as reasoned argument.

 

[developer]

Posting inflammatory anti-diesel drivel at pretty much every opportunity doesn't strike me as reasoned argument.

I see lots of reason (paragraphs of it) to defend his argument.

I'd rather that than those sarcastic one liners, the prevail of some.

 

[Deleted member 65149]

I'll confess that my opening post was a bit more aggressive than necessary. Over the last few months I'd read and heard the statistics about the frightening number of deaths every year resulting from NOx and those statistics alarmed me so much that I didn't phrase my concerns as sensitively as I should have. I apologise because I did not intend to imply that diesel owners were "stupid, ignorant, bad people". But on rereading it, I can understand why some members will have thought that. Again, I'm sorry.

However, just as I said I didn't then understand why diesel purchasers apparently ignored the statistics, neither do I understand the extent of grossly negative and insulting responses. I had a few people who gave very good reasons for not considering the emissions as part of their purchasing decisions, mainly because they'd been misled by government and manufacturers or they hadn't heard about the issues. That's all I needed to answer my initial question and I would probably have left it at that. But all the denials without a thread of evidence to back them up, combined with the unnecessary personal attacks, left me with no option other than to respond. Surely one of the purposes of this forum is to discuss motoring matters. It's not much of a discussion when one side can only say "you're wrong" or "you need to get rid of your car".

 

[Yugguy]

One-liner???

I'll have you know my finest work can stretch to 2 and even 3 lines!

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Actually, I think DM would deal with this guy quite well.

He tried a couple of times in the past - and failed.

 

[Peter103]

Posting inflammatory anti-diesel drivel at pretty much every opportunity doesn't strike me as reasoned argument.

As a seasoned diesel driver having owned six diesel mercs, a lot of what the OP says is perfectly reasonable, and why shouldn't he say it, if that's how he sees it? After all, nobody is holding your arm up your back to make you read it, frankly I think he's put up some good arguments against using diesel, makes no difference to me though, I will continue enjoying mine. P S I don't agree with all this global warming nonsense either, but that's another story!

 

[davidjpowell]

I'll confess that my opening post was a bit more aggressive than necessary. Over the last few months I'd read and heard the statistics about the frightening number of deaths every year resulting from NOx and those statistics alarmed me so much that I didn't phrase my concerns as sensitively as I should have. I apologise because I did not intend to imply that diesel owners were "stupid, ignorant, bad people". But on rereading it, I can understand why some members will have thought that. Again, I'm sorry.

However, just as I said I didn't then understand why diesel purchasers apparently ignored the statistics, neither do I understand the extent of grossly negative and insulting responses. I had a few people who gave very good reasons for not considering the emissions as part of their purchasing decisions, mainly because they'd been misled by government and manufacturers or they hadn't heard about the issues. That's all I needed to answer my initial question and I would probably have left it at that. But all the denials without a thread of evidence to back them up, combined with the unnecessary personal attacks, left me with no option other than to respond. Surely one of the purposes of this forum is to discuss motoring matters. It's not much of a discussion when one side can only say "you're wrong" or "you need to get rid of your car".

Because many people simply don't believe statistics anymore. Each group giving them out seems to have an agenda and a twist.

If it was that bad it would not be allowed.

 

[geraldrobins]

As a seasoned diesel driver having owned six diesel mercs, a lot of what the OP says is perfectly reasonable, and why shouldn't he say it, if that's how he sees it? After all, nobody is holding your arm up your back to make you read it, frankly I think he's put up some good arguments against using diesel, makes no difference to me though, I will continue enjoying mine. P S I don't agree with all this global warming nonsense either, but that's another story!

Good post Peter.
I do think we ought to consider the environment, potential health issues etc if we can in all our life choices not just car choice.

 

[Yugguy]

Hmmm. Try sticking a "c63 cars pollute, why do you buy them" thread on here and see how far you get.

 

[geraldrobins]

Hmmm. Try sticking a "c63 cars pollute, why do you buy them" thread on here and see how far you get.

I think we all know the answer to that one so no need to ask.

 

[Deleted member 37751]

As a seasoned diesel driver having owned six diesel mercs, a lot of what the OP says is perfectly reasonable, and why shouldn't he say it, if that's how he sees it?

There are many reasonable discussions that pass without incident on this forum, mostly due to the fact members do tend to try their best to not judge other people's choices in life.

I own a Maserati Quattroporte with a naturally aspirated 4.2 V8 which does 16mpg and I'm pretty certain ain't any better than a diesel doing 50mpg.