Why buy new diesel cars?

[Stratman]

LPG is only financially attractive while the chancellor says it is.

 

[Yugguy]

Aye, very true.

Trouble is there is no tax incentive. I'd have loved and could have sold the idea to the missus of a big V8 with lpg to give it an effective diesel-like mpg cost. But it would still have cost me 500 quid a year to tax and I just can't stomach that.

 

[tec]

If not, what can we do about it?

Why don't you just sell your car and buy a bicycle or use public transport if you are so worried about pollution?

All buses and trains where I live are diesel powered

Aircraft fuel is also much the same as diesel.

Diesel is better for the environment as we are burning less of it than petrol in our road vehicles.

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Why don't you just sell your car and buy a bicycle or use public transport if you are so worried about pollution? All buses and trains where I live are diesel powered Aircraft fuel is also much the same as diesel. Diesel is better for the environment as we are burning less of it than petrol in our road vehicles.

Oh dear, another child who was sitting at the back and not listening.

I have a bicycle and I use public transport (I even have a bus pass).

Not too many of our members own busses, trains or aircraft, so I didn't ask for opinions on buying them.

Twice as much CO2 is generated in total by diesel cars in the UK as by petrol cars, and they generate many more times the total NOx and particulate matter. So not so great for the environment after all.

 

[grober]

An LPG /Electric hybrid or at least range extender type like the BMW i3 ---always thought electric drive is particularly suited to stop start motoring??
Tempus Autogas - it is time | gazeo.com
the broader picture on alternative fuel buses.
http://www.clean-fleets.eu/fileadmi...nces_with_Fuel_and_Technology_Options_2.1.pdf

 

[Tim203]

Not much mention has been made of LPG [the fuel of choice of many a hefty 4x4] I was actually surprised at just how many outlets there are hidden away in the corner of your local filling station. LPG Autogas - the greener, cleaner and cheaper fuel alternative As usual UK purchasers are denied the chance to buy a switchable install warranted from factory version of popular models available to European buyers. {Ford, Opel, VW, Audi, Skoda, Seat and Renault} I always felt that the "converted vehicle" nature of the UK market put off many purchasers from the undoubted financial advantages New LPG vehicles

Interesting point about LPG. There was a tax incentive fad in Germany in the early 2000's. A garage owner friend did an installation course but told me he'd calculated if it was fitted from new and you kept the vehicle for a reasonable mileage the savings made would be offset by the shortened engine life and the subsequent cost of rebuilding due to lubricity issues.

 

[grober]

Interesting point about LPG. There was a tax incentive fad in Germany in the early 2000's. A garage owner friend did an installation course but told me he'd calculated if it was fitted from new and you kept the vehicle for a reasonable mileage the savings made would be offset by the shortened engine life and the subsequent cost of rebuilding due to lubricity issues.

There appears to be mixed messages on the upper cylinder lubricity problems. [ see link at the end] Part of the problem may well be that many engines are conversions from petrol rather than designed for lpg from scratch. Problems do appear to be confined to the cylinder head /exhaust manifold whereas over-fuelled petrol engines tend to suffer from bore wear. That said direct injection petrol engines initially suffered from carbon build up on the inlet valves at high mileage again due to no fuel washing them clean. [AUDI in particular] Don't know if that's been solved yet?
With all fuels there are pluses and minuses but in terms of cleaning up urban air lpg/hybrid buses seems to offer a distinct improvement? One major aspect of all these fuel alternatives which is rarely touched on or investigated is the ability of each engine type to stay within emissions spec during the engines working life. Emissions tests I assume are all done with brand spanking new unworn engines with all emission control gizmos working "as per " design parameters. Wonder how they all would fair say 100,000 miles down the line. I suspect that certain fuels may demand more from their engines tolerances than others in terms of meeting their initial emissions performance but there is little comprehensive evidence on that front as yet. Putting it another way are longer life engines potentially greater polluters? Just questions no answers.
The pistonheads LPG discussion.
LPG causes more engine wear, true? - Page 1 - General Gassing - PistonHeads

 

[lfckeeper]

This whole thread is hilarious...

Guy with 3L V6 complaining other cars give out to many emissions

Seriously.... if you didn't own a car maybe theres and argument but, as has been stated before, its just eye-wateringly obvious you dislike diesel engines

Up next .... man with £300m complains man with £300.1m has too much money and should give it all away

 

[Yugguy]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1812132829045894&id=1658214794437699

Ke's worst nightmare.

 

[davidjpowell]

This whole thread is hilarious...

Guy with 3L V6 complaining other cars give out to many emissions

Seriously.... if you didn't own a car maybe theres and argument but, as has been stated before, its just eye-wateringly obvious you dislike diesel engines

Up next .... man with £300m complains man with £300.1m has too much money and should give it all away

Gives him somewhere to preach though...

 

[Deleted member 6183]

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[Deleted member 65149]

This whole thread is hilarious... Guy with 3L V6 complaining other cars give out to many emissions Seriously.... if you didn't own a car maybe theres and argument but, as has been stated before, its just eye-wateringly obvious you dislike diesel engines Up next .... man with £300m complains man with £300.1m has too much money and should give it all away

The fact that you find the deaths of thousands of people a year hilarious gives a good indication of your intelligence.

Who is the "Guy with 3L V6"? I don't have one of those. But there are people here who do.

Next up you'll be criticising wealthy pop stars and billionaire business magnates for trying to raise awareness about people around the world who are starving and needlessly dying. How could they possibly understand when they have all that money. They must give everything away before we even consider starting to listen to them.

No, you're right, I farted a couple of days ago so I obviously have no real concerns about emissions.

 

[ftb]

The fact that you find the deaths of thousands of people a year hilarious gives a good indication of your intelligence.

Who is the "Guy with 3L V6"? I don't have one of those. But there are people here who do.

Next up you'll be criticising wealthy pop stars and billionaire business magnates for trying to raise awareness about people around the world who are starving and needlessly dying. How could they possibly understand when they have all that money. They must give everything away before we even consider starting to listen to them.

No, you're right, I farted a couple of days ago so I obviously have no real concerns about emissions.

I believe his point was that you are criticising other people's choice whilst contributing to pollution yourself by driving a big engined car.

 

[Dryce]

No, you're right, I farted a couple of days ago so I obviously have no real concerns about emissions.

This of course raises the quesion of how much per emission - and how many miles between.

You can't just state a simple statistic like this without a full explanation of how it was measured and under what operational conditions.

 

[lfckeeper]

I believe his point was that you are criticising other people's choice whilst contributing to pollution yourself by driving a big engined car.

This ^^^

Plus its not 'thousands of deaths' i find hilarious, it you.

Anyway im off to criticise my neighbour for having a 20ft long garden....you see, mines 19.5ft long, so naturally his is far too big and he must be condemned for it

 

[Deleted member 65149]

I believe his point was that you are criticising other people's choice whilst contributing to pollution yourself by driving a big engined car.

I actually asked a question about other people's choices, hence the "Why" at the very beginning of the subject line. I even managed to get a few sensible responses. But when a barrage of ignorant insults took over, most readers read just the bits they wanted to see and jumped to unfounded conclusions based on false impressions. I made the mistake in a couple of places by trying a bit of irony to soften their anger, but it went straight over their heads and just made things worse. So the abuse continues. It's only to be expected that people will defend their choices, unfortunately the ignorant have no way of doing so other than by personal insults.

 

[lfckeeper]

I actually asked a question about other people's choices, hence the "Why" at the very beginning of the subject line. I even managed to get a few sensible responses. But when a barrage of ignorant insults took over, most readers read just the bits they wanted to see and jumped to unfounded conclusions based on false impressions. I made the mistake in a couple of places by trying a bit of irony to soften their anger, but it went straight over their heads and just made things worse. So the abuse continues. It's only to be expected that people will defend their choices, unfortunately the ignorant have no way of doing so other than by personal insults.

Hold up a second.... i criticised your thread ...you said i wasn't intelligent... so whos throwing the insults?

I think you'll find most aren't angry just perplexed and have questioned your motives

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Hold up a second.... i criticised your thread ...you said i wasn't intelligent...

No I didn't. That was your interpretation. But if you feel that the caps fits, who am I to argue?

 

[Dryce]

Anyway im off to criticise my neighbour for having a 20ft long garden....you see, mines 19.5ft long, so naturally his is far too big and he must be condemned for it

You need to check how wide and heavy his garden is before coming to a proper and final conclusion.

Then factor in whether your mowers are diesel or petrol or electric or manual - power of the mowers - number of cuts - and number of passengers.

 

[Dryce]

No I didn't. That was your interpretation. But if you feel that the caps fits, who am I to argue?

I think we'd have to be sure that it definitely fitted or not. Just 'feeling' that it fits isn't a properly evaluated measurement as to whether it does or doesn't *actually* fit.

I think on that basis until the issue of fit is defined and agreed an argument may be cheaper and quicker than a full blown academic study supported by a research grant.