C36 On E-Bay - My old car has lost 60,000 Miles

[rees_A]

Just to clarify, I tried crimestoppers first as thought that might be the right place., They advised calling my local station. I received the ' Not your car so you can't report it' from the local police station, that was after I had been put through to the station front desk(Which I assume is manned by real police) from the call centre

 

[fatherpierre]

It is up to the person who has had the crime committed against them - the new owner to report.

He has been the victim of deception and only he can prove or report this as he owns the car.

There has to be a victim for a crime to be recorded, so you reporting it doesn't make it a crime without a victim and proof of the act.

 

[Alfie]

The DVLA will be very interested. Especially as you can prove a crime has been commited by having the evidence in the form of the old MOT certificates!

 

[fatherpierre]

MOTs are not proof of mileage in a court of law.

What's to stop someone winding back a car's mileage to a few thousand/hundered more than its previous cerificate before putting a vehicle in for a test?

 

[glojo]

Just to clarify, I tried crimestoppers first as thought that might be the right place., They advised calling my local station. I received the ' Not your car so you can't report it' from the local police station, that was after I had been put through to the station front desk(Which I assume is manned by real police) from the call centre

Hi rees_A,
Please, please do not take my post the wrong way, look back and you will see how I have commended your actions. I am merely trying to suggest it is unfair to generalise when we do not know specifics. I have no idea if you spoke to a police officer and somehow I get the impression you might not know because you stated how you spoke to 'someone' on the front desk. I for one am not impressed with the answer you were given. If they thought it was not a police matter then at the very least they should have given you the number of your local trading standards office.

Having a police officer on the front desk is a huge waste of resources which only the better off forces can indulge in. As stated I have no idea where you are or who mans the front desk of your station, yet folks are all assuming it was a police officer and then going into rant mode? I still feel they should have referred you to trading standards. I would suggest the person that 'clocked' your car might be known to them and any evidence is always helpful for a prosecution. The new owner of the vehicle might be grateful, he might be the villain. He may, or may not report the news you have supplied.

Regards,
John

 

[rees_A]

no prob John, I know you weren't having a dig. I just can't believe how uninterested anyone in authority is of a crime that I know has been commited.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

MOTs are not proof of mileage in a court of law.

What's to stop someone winding back a car's mileage to a few thousand/hundered more than its previous cerificate before putting a vehicle in for a test?

Nothing.

But isn't producing the MOT certificates and other vehicle history suitable evidence in this case, proving that the vehicle had an indicated mileage greater than that currently shown and presumably has been the case for some years.

Past MOT test certificates are surely an official document, that shows that the mileage has been higher?

I would imagine that the insurance company recorded the mileage as part of their claim/payout process, which again will be higher than currently shown, and will have been documented very recently.

Maybe I'm way off. Afterall common sense doesn't always prevail.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

no prob John, I know you weren't having a dig. I just can't believe how uninterested anyone in authority is of a crime that I know has been commited.

You'd think that they'd at least attempt to contact the new owner?

 

[fatherpierre]

They're interested in gaining a conviction with the smallest amount of resources used in doing that.

Your crime would not be in the public's interest to follow up and is a Trading Standards issue.

 

[fatherpierre]

Nothing.

But isn't producing the MOT certificates and other vehicle history suitable evidence in this case, proving that the vehicle had an indicated mileage greater than that currently shown and presumably has been the case for some years.

Past MOT test certificates are surely an official document, that shows that the mileage has been higher?

I would imagine that the insurance company recorded the mileage as part of their claim/payout process, which again will be higher than currently shown, and will have been documented very recently.

Maybe I'm way off. Afterall common sense doesn't always prevail.

I think the issue is that the MOT tester is merely testing the car's safety points and records the mileage without offering opinion (qualified or otherwise) as to the car's recorded mileage. The mileage on an MOT cert is listed as 'odometer reading', and they can be replaced.

 

[Howard]

Just had a 'thank you' from the buyer of the C36 ..... ( i mailed him to warn him )

Nice

 

[Alfie]

Just had a 'thank you' from the buyer of the C36 ..... ( i mailed him to warn him )

Nice

Well done.

 

[rees_A]

I've contacted the buyer, hes coming round my house tonight to pick up the service history etc. He said he is going to adjust the mileage back to its correct setting and report the guy who sold it to him to trading standards

 

[Howard]

If you give him that history , you know he'll just bin it ....

When he sells it on after fixing it , its worth more to him to say sorry , it has no history and 81k on it than to say its got 140k on it and history ....

I would be highly dubious of giving him the paperwork .... once it's burned , its all unproveable ....

 

[aka$h]

If you give him that history , you know he'll just bin it ....

When he sells it on after fixing it , its worth more to him to say sorry , it has no history and 81k on it than to say its got 140k on it and history ....

I would be highly dubious of giving him the paperwork .... once it's burned , its all unproveable ....

I Agree, he will just want to protect his investment.

 

[500E]

Im wondering, does it actually matter what he does with the paperwork? I guess its up to the current owner as he owns the car (C36) to do whatever he wishes with the paperwork or to contact Trading Standards.

Many thanks for the previous owner for handing the paperwork over to the new owner but after that is really out of your hands.

 

[television]

What an interesting thread in this small world.

I believe that as Alfie said,the DVLA ask for this type of info,and I fell sure that I have seen it there, If this info was passed on then it would protect the next one that buys it.


Malcolm

 

[jaymanek]

I'v He said he is going to adjust the mileage back to its correct setting and report the guy who sold it to him to trading standards

Yeh right!!!

 

[willy]

What an interesting thread in this small world.

I believe that as Alfie said,the DVLA ask for this type of info,and I fell sure that I have seen it there, If this info was passed on then it would protect the next one that buys it.


Malcolm

I agree the best thing to do is to report the true mileage to the DVLA as it will protect the next owner if it changes hands again.

 

[Dieselman]

It is up to the person who has had the crime committed against them - the new owner to report.

He has been the victim of deception and only he can prove or report this as he owns the car.

There has to be a victim for a crime to be recorded, so you reporting it doesn't make it a crime without a victim and proof of the act.

I think this is cobblers.
let's say your Grandmother is financially decieved. The Police would treat it as a crime if you reported it.

There is proof of this act. The mileage is recorded previously as being higher.