EU 'should ban inefficient cars'

[ewans]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7225451.stm

 

[verytalldave]

I wonder what car "Sir Mark Moody-Stuart" drives or gets driven around in?
Whatever it is, I bet its one that does less than 35mpg.
Does anyone know, or how can we find out?
Idealistic oaf.

 

[ROBB]

What the EU should ban is inefficient politicians :bannana: - that would save more in the long run.

rob

 

[glojo]

I wonder what car "Sir Mark Moody-Stuart" drives or gets driven around in?
Whatever it is, I bet its one that does less than 35mpg.
Does anyone know, or how can we find out?
Idealistic oaf.

He was filmed in sdomething like a Toyota Prius and when he turned from a side street onto the main road, did anyone else notice the rear nearside wheel go up over the kerb? Should anyone that can't drive properly be taken seriously when they talk about inefficient cars?

Where did this man's wealth come from?

John

 

[chriswt]

What the EU should ban is inefficient politicians :bannana: - that would save more in the long run.

rob

Surely a simple answer to this would be for the police to get tough on poorly maintianed cars and rather than dish out fines they could insist on another interim MOT in the same way that 7-dayer are issued to drivers.

That way the politicians don't get their hands on the money raised by fines but instead local garages and MOT centres benefit from increased business, the enviroment benefits from healthier cars and as a side we'd have less cars on the roads with faulty lights and brakes.

Everyones a winner apart from Mr Politician.

 

[Mr E]

He was filmed in sdomething like a Toyota Prius and when he turned from a side street onto the main road, did anyone else notice the rear nearside wheel go up over the kerb? Should anyone that can't drive properly be taken seriously when they talk about inefficient cars?

Where did this man's wealth come from?

John

He's ex-chairman of Royal Dutch Shell, a director of Accenture and HSBC and Chairman of Anglo-American plc.

He was co-chair of the G8 Task Force on Renewable Energy (2000-2001), member of UN's Global Compact, and chairman of Business Action for Sustainable Development.

Has a doctorate in geology, and spent most of his working life at Shell.

 

[6CylinderMerc]

Sir Mark Moody-Stuart. Ex-chairman of Shell preaching to us via the media on the merits & environmental responsibilities of driving cars that do less than 35mpg.

Now, I don't know what car he drives but this much I can tell you. This is the same Sir Mark Moody-Stuart who is currently Chaiman of Anglo American plc, who are heavily involved in worldwide mineral extraction including gold, platinum, coal, diamonds, etc mainly in Africa. This same company has a 45% share of De Beers Diamond Corp.

Now, I've seen Blood Diamond & we're all aware of the trade of these, as we are of the conditions that miners in Africa work under. So bearing the above in mind, tell me, what gives this person the right to preach about conscience & ethics.

 

[scumbag]

Here is a question.

would anyone object to a 500bhp V8 that did 60mpg and didn't throw out emissions that cause problems?

Thats the route I would go down. Rather than ban old cars which will cost people, why not make new ones better!

I see it now cost £200 to take the worst polluting wagons into London. What, prey tell, will they do if all the truckies just pay up? How is that going to help??

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

This is the same Sir Mark Moody-Stuart who is currently Chaiman of Anglo American plc, who are heavily involved in worldwide mineral extraction including gold, platinum, coal, diamonds, etc mainly in Africa. This same company has a 45% share of De Beers Diamond Corp.

Now, I've seen Blood Diamond & we're all aware of the trade of these, as we are of the conditions that miners in Africa work under. So bearing the above in mind, tell me, what gives this person the right to preach about conscience & ethics.

Are you suggesting that AngloAmerican - and DeBeers specifically are involved in the illicit diamond trade?

 

[W210 Fan]

anybody remember the plastic engines that people like Ford and Fiat developed years ago that would do 120mpg, cost less to produce reducing the overall carbon footprint of the car and could also be recycled, would it be the same oil companies that this gentleman works for the brought the rights to this technology and then shelved it so people would continue to drive around using lots of the same companies products? now he is winging at the consumer that our engines are not efficient, go and have a look in your companies stock room somewhere under 1976 copies of razzle and covered in spiders webs and you will find the answer, then you can repay everybody for the extra fuel you have cost us over the years by letting the pumps go free for a year.......

 

[6CylinderMerc]

De Beers mines 50% of the worlds diamonds & purchases about 80% of those offered for sale in the open market. More than $4bn US worth of diamonds are stockpiled in De Beers offices; it buys & sells in quantities designed to keep diamonds at an artificially high rate. All told, it controls about 85% of the world trade.

De Beers insist that it is impossible to tell where uncut diamonds originate (others disagree) but simultaneously insists that it buys no conflict diamonds
(mmm, bit of a paradox there)


I'm not suggesting anything. The facts speak for themselves

 

[amwebby]

I don't know for sure what car he drives but I can reveal that he is a member of the Aston Martin Owners Club. Now, which model Aston Martin can achieve 35mpg or better? Let me see...

 

[verytalldave]

I don't know for sure what car he drives but I can reveal that he is a member of the Aston Martin Owners Club. Now, which model Aston Martin can achieve 35mpg or better? Let me see...

Typical...........drives a Prius when in publicity mode and probably drives a DB6/7/9 when not.
Obviously a politician in the making.........perhaps he has Mr Conways seat in his sights.....

 

[Dieselman]

what gives this person the right to preach about conscience & ethics.

I didn't think he was as such. Just saying that motor companies should provide more efficient vehicles and that people shouldnt be able to get round responsibilities on the basis of wealth.

Not sure what connection this has to do with Diamonds.

I don't understand the reaction here. Like Scumbag I think driving a low/non polluting vehicle that can achieve good power output should be welcomed.

 

[6CylinderMerc]

I didn't think he was as such. Just saying that motor companies should provide more efficient vehicles and that people shouldnt be able to get round responsibilities on the basis of wealth.

Not sure what connection this has to do with Diamonds.

I don't understand the reaction here. Like Scumbag I think driving a low/non polluting vehicle that can achieve good power output should be welcomed.

<Sir Mark said: "Nobody needs a car that does 10-15mpg.
"We need very tough regulation saying that you can't drive or build something less than a certain standard.">


I guess I just don't like being preached to by a hypocritical chairman of a company that has a 40% stake in another equally hypocritical company (De Beers - diamond connection)..
I also think it would be great if I could get my hands on a 400hp, 50mpg vehicle but I would prefer the founder of Greenpeace tell me so rather than Sir Mark. This man has zero credibility in my eyes....

 

[glojo]

He's ex-chairman of Royal Dutch Shell, a director of Accenture and HSBC and Chairman of Anglo-American plc.

He was co-chair of the G8 Task Force on Renewable Energy (2000-2001), member of UN's Global Compact, and chairman of Business Action for Sustainable Development.

Has a doctorate in geology, and spent most of his working life at Shell.

I knew that
My subtle point was he made his fortune out of the car industry and its need for copious amounts of fuel. Is he like the retired traffic cop that then starts campaigning about banning speed limits?

I note our illustrious government ministers have:
11 Rover 75's
19 Jaguar XJ19?
1 Daimler Limousine
7 Vauxhall Omega's
7 Vauxhall Vectra's

and that does not include the whole multitude of close protection vehicles Kettles, pots and black come to mind.

regards
John

 

[Dieselman]

I also think it would be great if I could get my hands on a 400hp, 50mpg vehicle but I would prefer the founder of Greenpeace tell me so rather than Sir Mark. This man has zero credibility in my eyes....

He mentions the Tesla. You can have one of those. Why do you need 400Bhp..?

 

[6CylinderMerc]

He mentions the Tesla. You can have one of those. Why do you need 400Bhp..?

No that was Nigel Case. He also said that you can't get one

 

[andy_k]

Sir Mark said that we don't NEED a car that does 10-15 mpg - he's perfectly correct none of us need cars like that nor do we NEED 400 bhp.

What people want is very different from their needs

Sometimes we forget and get the two words mixed up

Andy

 

[Dieselman]

No that was Nigel Case. He also said that you can't get one

Yet,...because production hasn't started and there is a 1 year waiting list.

You also can't get a lightning yet but you will be able to and that's 700Bhp equivelant with...err...zero local emmissions.

Hmm..I wonder if you could get a 400Bhp diesel to do 50mpg...probably.