And it's been like that all the way back to the seventies and probably earlier. If Ferrari couldn't win the race they were sure to always win any appeals or objections.
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And it's been like that all the way back to the seventies and probably earlier. If Ferrari couldn't win the race they were sure to always win any appeals or objections.
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He details a few cases where another team would come up with an innovation which Ferrari tried to copy but when they couldn't make it work they protested it. Note they didn't protest it straight away, but only when they failed to make it work for them.
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Apologies, as this is F3 news, but A M A Z I N G anyway:
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Lewis Hamilton to miss Bahrain ...
Lewis Hamilton BOMBSHELL: Mercedes star announces he will MISS Bahrain Grand Prix | F1 | Sport | Express.co.uk
Lewis Hamilton BOMBSHELL: Mercedes star announces he will MISS Bahrain Grand Prix | F1 | Sport | Express.co.uk
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Mrs Ant just gave me a very sympathetic grin as I read this out to her. She's not as gullible as me.
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After all Newey's castigation of Ferrari's habit of protesting things they can't make work, now Red Bull are complaining about Mercedes 'Party Mode', wanting cars to race with qualifying engine settings.
So, no changing modes during the race? At all?
So, no changing modes during the race? At all?
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They are all "at it" and that is what makes "it" so interesting behind the scenes. As soon as one gets a sniff of an improvement on some other team's car, first stop is the stewards or the lawyers. Then when they are protested against the "what me ref" look comes out with the bottom lip. Blaming Ferrari is the default fall back position for these teams when they can't get what they want and Ferrari know and love it. It makes them more powerful and more mysterious. Would we want F1 without them? I think not.
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If teams or drivers were deducted points for engine/gearbox changes instead of grid positions would it focus their collective minds more on reliability strategy?
Or just let them get on with it?
Or just let them get on with it?
I'm very disappointed with the published Liberty Media ideas for the future of F1:
Power units (PU)
• The PU must be cheaper, simpler, louder, have more power and reduce the necessity of grid penalties.
• It must remain road relevant, hybrid and allow manufacturers to build unique and original PU.
• New PU rules must be attractive for new entrants and Customer teams must have access to equivalent performance.
Costs
• We believe how you spend the money must be more decisive and important than how much money you spend.
• While there will be some standardised elements, car differentiation must remain a core value
• Implement a cost cap (expected to be $150m per year) that maintains Formula 1 position as the pinnacle of motorsport with a state-of-the-art technology.
Revenues
• The new revenue distribution criteria must be more balanced, based on meritocracy of the current performance and reward success for the teams and the Commercial Rights Holder.
• F1s unique, historical franchise and value must and will still be recognised.
• Revenue support to both cars and engine suppliers.
Sporting and technical rules & regulations
• We must make cars more raceable to increase overtaking opportunities.
• Engineering technology must remain a cornerstone but driver’s skill must be the predominant factor in the performance of the car.
• The cars must and will remain different from each other and maintain performance differentiators like aerodynamics, suspensions and PU performance. However, we believe areas not relevant to fans need to be standardised.
Governance
• A simple and streamline structure between the teams, the FIA and Formula 1.
This is just lesson in being least offensive and saying very little.
However, I'm quite sure that is not what is going on Ross Brawn's head.
Having, quite literally, shared a desk with him for some time, I will be keen to see what a appears after all the 'off line' negotiations have been completed.
All the proposals are all easy to say and difficult to do, however if any one can, then Ross probably can.....
Power units (PU)
• The PU must be cheaper, simpler, louder, have more power and reduce the necessity of grid penalties.
• It must remain road relevant, hybrid and allow manufacturers to build unique and original PU.
• New PU rules must be attractive for new entrants and Customer teams must have access to equivalent performance.
Costs
• We believe how you spend the money must be more decisive and important than how much money you spend.
• While there will be some standardised elements, car differentiation must remain a core value
• Implement a cost cap (expected to be $150m per year) that maintains Formula 1 position as the pinnacle of motorsport with a state-of-the-art technology.
Revenues
• The new revenue distribution criteria must be more balanced, based on meritocracy of the current performance and reward success for the teams and the Commercial Rights Holder.
• F1s unique, historical franchise and value must and will still be recognised.
• Revenue support to both cars and engine suppliers.
Sporting and technical rules & regulations
• We must make cars more raceable to increase overtaking opportunities.
• Engineering technology must remain a cornerstone but driver’s skill must be the predominant factor in the performance of the car.
• The cars must and will remain different from each other and maintain performance differentiators like aerodynamics, suspensions and PU performance. However, we believe areas not relevant to fans need to be standardised.
Governance
• A simple and streamline structure between the teams, the FIA and Formula 1.
This is just lesson in being least offensive and saying very little.
However, I'm quite sure that is not what is going on Ross Brawn's head.
Having, quite literally, shared a desk with him for some time, I will be keen to see what a appears after all the 'off line' negotiations have been completed.
All the proposals are all easy to say and difficult to do, however if any one can, then Ross probably can.....
Load of waffle if ever there was one.
Seems to me that Liberty need to grow a hairy pair and properly layout a vision for the future of the sport. Worrying less about ruffling red or silver feathers and concentrating on making real changes that make the F1 spectacle something that fans really want to see.
Seems to me that Liberty need to grow a hairy pair and properly layout a vision for the future of the sport. Worrying less about ruffling red or silver feathers and concentrating on making real changes that make the F1 spectacle something that fans really want to see.
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It's almost "Humphrey-speak"
I'm hoping (actually, expecting) that RB does, indeed, have rather more substantial proposals in mind and that this is just a public statement by Liberty while the real arguments, discussions and agreements are made behind closed doors as negotiations leading to compromise are rarely best conducted in the public eye. Time will tell.
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The first they should do is make all the tracks possible to overtake on. When they do that I might take more interest. Until then it is off to BSB & WSB for me.
Tracks really are not the problem. All the circuits that the bikes can pass on so can Formula Fords. They may not be quite as wide as F1 cars, they are much wider than bikes, but much more importantly they do not rely on aerodynamics for grip.
The only thing I want from F1 is proper racing, there are so many rules even the commentators and drivers can get confused.
I’m a great fan of LH and want to see him race.
Vettel won the first race through luck and now LH is five places back from his qualifying place.
I get that they want to make it competitive for teams with less money but much of the new tech in Road cars comes from development in F1.
Whatever they do it needs to have proper racing involved so there is actual excitement in the race.
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I’m a great fan of LH and want to see him race.
Vettel won the first race through luck and now LH is five places back from his qualifying place.
I get that they want to make it competitive for teams with less money but much of the new tech in Road cars comes from development in F1.
Whatever they do it needs to have proper racing involved so there is actual excitement in the race.
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2 Honda powered cars out qualify 2 Renault powered McLarens. 
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2 Honda powered cars out qualify 2 Renault powered McLarens.
But will they finish the race?
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Sorry I should have said tracks and/or cars should allow overtaking without the need the resort to devious strategy tactics.
It is long overdue that F1 goes through a dramatic change or they will lose this avid fan.
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I’ll watch F1 no matter what.
Love it like a rebellious child, despite its many issues.
Love it like a rebellious child, despite its many issues.
