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I would question whether where the mechanic was standing was according to plan if you check out the guys on the other rear--I know there was a problem but even so.
edit :- I'm revising that since the wheel wasn't removed yet Who gives the green light then?
edit2:- still puzzled by the lack of symmetry- 3 men to a wheel- front man wheel/ tyre removal middle man on the gun-rearman new wheel tyre- except on that left rear?is it a dominant hand thing?
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You see the same thing here---- for every wheel the guy who supplies the new wheel/tyre approaches the hub from behind--- except the left rear?
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Yes the mechanic was standing in the wrong place, but the car should never have been let down off the jack until after the wheel had been changed. Their pit stop procedure has a serious and potentially fatal flaw.
 
Is it the front jack man who gives the green light?

I thought the mechanics would have been allowed to push Kimi back into his pit box and service the car?
 
bob6600 said:
Is it the front jack man who gives the green light?

I thought the mechanics would have been allowed to push Kimi back into his pit box and service the car?
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Me too, though there was the minor inconvenience of some bloke on floor being treated for broken tib and fib...
 
The decision to abort Kimi's race was taken when it was obvious that his race was already run. He could not get back into the points, given the time already lost and did the sensible thing by exiting the car. I do not think that that at this point Kimi was aware there was an injured mechanic. It appears that the mechanics acted very well in focusing on their injured colleague.

As for any differences in how the crew choreograph for each wheel? This may simply come down to individual body strengths and perferences. The wheels (despite appearances) are not light and are very hot, the rubber that sticks to the track also sticks to the skin. So it is not a precise ballet, every time.

I thought the Green light was linked to the jacks with the front jack replacing the lolipop? The assumption being that when both jacks are clear and the Gun man has his hands up, the car is mechanically sound, but somebody still gives the "green light" for release having supposedly ensured, there is no other car approaching or somebody in the way of a safe release. I honestly do not know, but it is not the first time it has caused issues for Ferrari
 
If you study the later video of the Williams team in action the man who presses the green light button is highlighted at 17mins 26 in seems there are two who act in unison 1. For the tyre change 2. for the pitlane clear. You will notice the relative roles/position of the 3 "wheel men" at left hand rear are different from Ferrari! Where this might be important is that the left rear ferrari "wheelman in waiting" as the last man in the action chain can effectively obscure the view of the release man as to the successful completion of the wheel change operation for longer due to his forward position?
Putting another way-with the correct configuration--- if the front wheel man is still there-- the tyre change is still in its early* stage [ gun/wheel off*/wheel on / gun] -- Maybe its splitting hairs but when you are dealing with hundredths of a second??

see this MERCEDES video- I believe the release man is in green overalls?
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The wheels are a lot lighter than you might think. First time I picked one up I was amazed at just how light they are. They are awkward though and getting them off and on over the brake cowling with speed and accuracy takes a lot of co-ordination and practice.

The main flaw in Ferrari's procedure must be the simple and fundamental failure to recognise that the left rear had not come off the car.
 
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Injured Ferrari F1 mechanic has successful surgery on broken leg
 
Just watched the full race. Verstappen is just too aggressive over taking so tough luck him bowing out. A great over taking move by Hamilton passing 3 cars. I can't see Bottas with Merc next year. Great result for Gasly.

Interesting interview here with SV :-

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GeeJayW said:
The wheels are a lot lighter than you might think. First time I picked one up I was amazed at just how light they are. They are awkward though and getting them off and on over the brake cowling with speed and accuracy takes a lot of co-ordination and practice.

The main flaw in Ferrari's procedure must be the simple and fundamental failure to recognise that the left rear had not come off the car.
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The wheel weight is all relative. So my apologies. Yes they are much, much lighter than road wheels and tires. But in a pit stop window they are cumbersome, hot and relatively speaking, heavy lumps to move around quickly and accurately. We take it for granted now when we see 2.5 second pit stops and get a bit casual about it. It's an expectation rather than a skill to the average viewer. To those who have never attempted to change a race wheel in anger (most of the population) believe me it is a not as easy as these teams make it look.
 
brucemillar said:
The decision to abort Kimi's race was taken when it was obvious that his race was already run. He could not get back into the points, given the time already lost and did the sensible thing by exiting the car. I do not think that that at this point Kimi was aware there was an injured mechanic. It appears that the mechanics acted very well in focusing on their injured colleague.

As for any differences in how the crew choreograph for each wheel? This may simply come down to individual body strengths and perferences. The wheels (despite appearances) are not light and are very hot, the rubber that sticks to the track also sticks to the skin. So it is not a precise ballet, every time.

I thought the Green light was linked to the jacks with the front jack replacing the lolipop? The assumption being that when both jacks are clear and the Gun man has his hands up, the car is mechanically sound, but somebody still gives the "green light" for release having supposedly ensured, there is no other car approaching or somebody in the way of a safe release. I honestly do not know, but it is not the first time it has caused issues for Ferrari
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I think Kimi knew that one of his pit crew was injured, after all he was looking right at him as he walked back to the pits. Kimi also showed a total lack of sympathy when asked about the injured pit crew during the post race interviews.
 
brucemillar said:
The wheel weight is all relative. So my apologies. Yes they are much, much lighter than road wheels and tires. But in a pit stop window they are cumbersome, hot and relatively speaking, heavy lumps to move around quickly and accurately. We take it for granted now when we see 2.5 second pit stops and get a bit casual about it. It's an expectation rather than a skill to the average viewer. To those who have never attempted to change a race wheel in anger (most of the population) believe me it is a not as easy as these teams make it look.
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Not done it in a race, but have done it a few times against the clock, and yes not easy at all. A reminder that the whole team is made up of professionals.
 
flowrider99 said:
I think Kimi knew that one of his pit crew was injured, after all he was looking right at him as he walked back to the pits. Kimi also showed a total lack of sympathy when asked about the injured pit crew during the post race interviews.
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I think that Kimi may well be 'on the spectrum'... Just saying.
 
Nat said:
Interesting interview here with SV :-

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Well said Seb!
 
Nat said:
Just watched the full race. Verstappen is just too aggressive over taking so tough luck him bowing out. QUOTE]
If you think Verstappen is too aggressive, have a look at this weekend'd MotoGP from Argentina:cool:
Oh! Spoiler alert....it was won by a Brit:D
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