Oh! Spoiler alert....it was won by a Brit
Arrghhh !
I don't get to watch the highlights until tomorrow night. Intriguing though that a Brit won. I suppose it has to be Crutchlow.
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Arrghhh !
I don't get to watch the highlights until tomorrow night. Intriguing though that a Brit won. I suppose it has to be Crutchlow.
Crutchlow it was and a fantastic race.
Marquez aggressive overtaking got him the penalty he deserved. He was lucky not to have had one earlier. I wonder what Rossi had to say to him, I didn't see that in the highlights.
Marquez aggressive overtaking got him the penalty he deserved. He was lucky not to have had one earlier. I wonder what Rossi had to say to him, I didn't see that in the highlights.
Marquez was well out of order, at best clumsy, at worst cynical, disrespectful and downright dangerous. The 30s penalty didn't for me, send a strong enough message. I think he should have been black flagged, excluded from the results and awarded a one race ban. I should add that I think Marquez is an amazing rider, but he can't go racing like he did at the weekend.
I'm inclined to agree that the penalty was insufficient. Considering he also used this barging tactic on another rider, he should have been black flagged for the Rossi incident. He has so much talent that I don't see why he feels the need to behave this way. Perhaps a good smack on the nose from an injured party would do the trick because he isn't penitent after that incident. In press reports he's saying he did nothing wrong. The parallels with Verstappen are uncanny.
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Senna was the same, pretty much saying "I'm putting my car here, if you wish to avoid a collision I'd make other arrangements if I were you".
On Marquez I feel the stewards bottled the decisions, I'm guessing because it will undoubtedly affect the championship. They got it wrong with MM's shenanigans at the start, where he should have been pushed into the pit lane, and when he twice went straight through another rider. He really should have been black flagged the first time instead of a ride through, but for a second offence how they thought adding thirty seconds was an adequate response is baffling. A black flag and a ban is more fitting.
On Marquez I feel the stewards bottled the decisions, I'm guessing because it will undoubtedly affect the championship. They got it wrong with MM's shenanigans at the start, where he should have been pushed into the pit lane, and when he twice went straight through another rider. He really should have been black flagged the first time instead of a ride through, but for a second offence how they thought adding thirty seconds was an adequate response is baffling. A black flag and a ban is more fitting.
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Not quite sure I agree. Senna would position his car so that there were alternatives, i.e. let him past or collide, whereas MM (who is an exceptionally talented rider) was simply barging into other riders, which is absolutely indefensible.
I agree that the stewards bottled it. One barging incident can be put down to a misjudgement and excused, but after that it should be a black flag and minimum two race suspension.
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Formula 1 governing body the FIA is investigating the rash of unsafe pit stops in the opening two Grands Prix of the season.
FIA investigating botched F1 pit stops
FIA investigating botched F1 pit stops
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Martin Brundle gave a very good interview about his views (and many on the inside). Basically he is saying that there should be a minimum time that each car MUST remain in the pits, for each stop, and that/this time, is the same for each car/team.
By making the pit stops a crucial (often race deciding factor) Brundle, argues that this is the result (pit crews getting injured) and we should not be surprised. As he says, who wants to be the mechanic who is viewed as responsible for costing a team (or in Ferrari's case) a Nation an almost certain victory. All that pressure condensed into 2 seconds of choreographed chaos, with a driver who is detached from the entire process, focused 100% on their own pit checks. Somebody will be killed or worse several people will be killed.
If by introducing a minimum stop time across the grid we level that playing field, it cannot be bad thing for safety and also for racing which should be on the track.
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Martin Brundle speaks lots of sense. I’d like him to have a roll somewhere within the FIA or alongside Ross Brawn.
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I don't know if a minimum time is the way forward. The idea of F1 has always been the fastest 'everything' with the best technology possible. I didn't like the grooved tyres back in the day either. My guess if they added a minimum time would possible cause a distraction as teams would be conscious of the time where as all concentration should be on the pit stop IMO.
Ultimately the fault was whoever gave a green light - either human error from front jack man or their automated system.
Ultimately the fault was whoever gave a green light - either human error from front jack man or their automated system.
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Martin and Ross are almost always on the same page and have a healthy respect for one another. It has been that way for almost 30 years since I worked with them both at TWR Jaguar. They will continue to share views behind closed doors and we eventually will see the outcome in the new regulations.
Given that the teams can do less than 3 sec stops, just setting a minimum time of 4 secs would give a little extra for safety and yet still be a challenge to meet.
I agree that in Ferrari's case, the responsibility rests with the system or person that gave a green light for release.
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Maybe also worth remembering that in all the incidents we have seen this season, it is a human that failed by allowing the “unsafe release” whatever the lead up to that point.
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Well Lewis has topped the practice sessions so far.
Another (practice) pitstop woe, this time for McLaren and Vandoorne.
Another (practice) pitstop woe, this time for McLaren and Vandoorne.
From what the commentators said at the weekend, I think that the Ferrari system uses lights to confirm that each wheel is attached. So when all show 'green', the car is dropped and a green light is shown to the driver who then gets on the loud pedal.
So for me, the question is this: Is the guy that releases the car in a position to have a clear view of all four corners* in order to decide that the pit stop is complete or is he watching some lighting system that relays the information? If it's the former, then a person may well be at fault. If it's the latter, it's a systematic failure.
*the view could be direct or by CCTV cameras
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Serious question re pit lane accident
If it was to happen at Silverstone, would the H&SE get involved ?
If it was to happen at Silverstone, would the H&SE get involved ?
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IMO there’s no need to change any pit lane rules. 1000’s of pitstops throughout season. It’s a dangerous sport. There will always be incidents. By all means learn from them and improve things but no need for change.
