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Formula One 2018 - General Thread

Serious question re pit lane accident

If it was to happen at Silverstone, would the H&SE get involved ?

Good question. In any other work place a broken leg would be a reportable accident. HSE would want to know about it and would investigate if they thought it serious enough or if they thought they could disseminate learning from it.
 
Perhaps they see what they expect to see. The gun man standing back from the wheel after a couple of seconds or so has always meant his job is done, why would this time be any different?
 
Perhaps they see what they expect to see. The gun man standing back from the wheel after a couple of seconds or so has always meant his job is done, why would this time be any different?

TBH once the rear of the car was dropped to the ground I’m surprised his instinct didn’t make him step away from that huge rear wheel. :(
 
I won't give the results so those of you yet to watch it can enjoy it but interesting race after the pit stops but boring as hell up to then.
 
interesting race after the pit stops but boring as hell up to then.

It was an interesting race, made or ruined by the safety car depending on your point of view.

What's the difference between Ferrari and Mercedes ?

Ferrari will always leave their No2 driver out to dry with 2 sec/lap slower tyres in order to help their No1. Nice to see it didn't do what they expected and that the No2 did alright in the end in spite of his team.

The Dutch kid proved yet again that he still has to learn not to be a jerk. The 10 sec penalty was not enough. He should have suffered the same loss of places as the injured party.
 
I hope Kimi gets more points this season than VET. Ferrari realised that MB had undercut them with Bottas and knew Kimi would also fall behind HAM but rather than pit him ASAP so he can gain as many points as possible, they used him so VET could potentially get the win.
VES has never been my favourite and I acknowledge he is a good driver but he deserved what he got (penalty).
RIC was excellent and hats off to Red Bull for doing the engine swap in time and the double-double pit stops
Great race, I enjoyed it.
 
Like it or not it’s how Ferrari operate. Kimi obviously knows the deal and seems to be happy (although not visually) to go along with it season after season.

I think MV gets a hard time. Although he was wrong again today (and admitted it) it’s exciting and unpredictable racing/overtaking for all to see. I’m sure he’ll learn from each mistake.

I agree the penalty wasn’t enough.

Danny Ric played a better percentage game. However, had he clashed with Bottas he’d have no doubt been slated too.

Danny Ric seems a proper nice guy. Hope he stays that way if/when he excels in the future.
 
After last week, Bottas did himself a favour by originally holding off VET and then RAI.
However, RIC has shown (again) how to overtake when the gap is minimal and will sure have the option of Merc, Ferrari and Red Bull on the table
 
Great race, although i am a Hamilton fan and of course Mercedes-Benz, i do like a good race no matter who wins, also a good result for the championship as it has narrowed the gap at the top and brought more players into the mix. Well done Daniel.
 
One day Bob drivers will be queuing up to drive for McLaren. However, let’s not hold our breath eh??? :)
 
Positive note for Mercedes fans is they are now top of the constructors standings by 1 point from Ferrari.
 
The Mercedes strategy team appear to have lost their Mojo a bit? :confused: They should perhaps have brought Lewis into the pits for a tyre change at the same time as the Red Bull team. The leaders were past the pit entrance by the time the safety car was deployed but Lewis wasn't? :eek: Kudos to Ricciardo's mechanics--- who was to know their last minute car rebuild for Q1 would win them the race!:cool:
 
MV's attack on SV ruined the race for Ferrari and may yet have far reaching consequences. He needs to be reigned in now and fines/points deductions just do not do that. He is happy to wreck others peoples races then his races should be wrecked by a ban. He is not a rookie making mistakes. He is a showing an immaturity in his driving, that is going unchecked and harming the sport. How many people are employed to put together a race car that can win races, just to watch MV play dodgems with it.
 
MV's attack on SV ruined the race for Ferrari and may yet have far reaching consequences. He needs to be reigned in now and fines/points deductions just do not do that. He is happy to wreck others peoples races then his races should be wrecked by a ban. He is not a rookie making mistakes. He is a showing an immaturity in his driving, that is going unchecked and harming the sport. How many people are employed to put together a race car that can win races, just to watch MV play dodgems with it.
Pretty much accords with my view.

VET did make the point after the race when questioned about the incident that even drivers with 300+ races behind them still make misjudgements. However, my view is that VES will sooner or later cause more than busted carbon fibre and ruined races through his aggressive moves that a more mature driver wouldn't make because they know wouldn't come off.

IMO he needs a (minimum) two-race suspension and/or another driver to punch him in the face the next time he pulls a stunt. Schumacher thought he could get away with bullying other drivers on the track until Hakkinen gave him a stern talking to, and VES isn't in Schumacher's league.
 
Pretty much accords with my view.

VET did make the point after the race when questioned about the incident that even drivers with 300+ races behind them still make misjudgements. However, my view is that VES will sooner or later cause more than busted carbon fibre and ruined races through his aggressive moves that a more mature driver wouldn't make because they know wouldn't come off.

IMO he needs a (minimum) two-race suspension and/or another driver to punch him in the face the next time he pulls a stunt. Schumacher thought he could get away with bullying other drivers on the track until Hakkinen gave him a stern talking to, and VES isn't in Schumacher's league.


Phil
It seems to me like he (MV) is trying to create an aura that other drivers will fear. He is basically saying "get out my way or have your race ruined". He is adding to that mix a dollop of "you need these points more than I do". I believe that he is better than that and should race on his ability and talent and not use other peoples cars to feed his angst or as a braking aid.

I was enjoying watching the various strategies unfold and how the teams and drivers were adapting to a rapidly changing dynamic, especially Ferrari who really appear to be using Kimi for the advantage of Seb. But then along comes MV and starts just bashing others out of his way and the race is effectively over for so many. He seems hell bent on destroying anybodies race who is in with a fight for the championship? Lewis Hamilton seems equally hell bent on not giving him the space to do so. But that will end in tears and more ruined races. His excuses that other drivers "just don't like him" are just petulant. Other drivers want to race and not go to a dodgem track.
 
Lewis Hamilton seems equally hell bent on not giving him the space to do so. But that will end in tears and more ruined races. His excuses that other drivers "just don't like him" are just petulant. Other drivers want to race and not go to a dodgem track.
Hamilton has already made remarks about Verstapen's "lack of respect" for other drivers, and I think that's pretty accurate. All contact in open wheel racing formulas has the potential to be life-changing but MV has got away with it so far. He is undoubtedly a very talented driver, but he is fast gaining a - deserved - reputation for being an aggressive loose canon and he needs reigning in before he does some real damage to either himself or another racer.
 
Verstapen is an accident waiting to happen. I don't see him been dissimilar to Daniel Kyvat.
 
MV's attack on SV ruined the race for Ferrari and may yet have far reaching consequences.

I don't think so.

If MV hadn't spun and got the penalty then I think he would have passed Kimi. It would have been a 1-2 for Red Bull. With VB third.

There's a bit of me thinking that SV set a very clever and calculated trap. He knew he couldn't hold MV. I think he took a verty calculated risk for the benefit of Ferrari knowing that at worst he'd lose a small number of points and Ferrari would gain more. So he baited MV into making a mistake figuring that MV would mess his tyres or get a puncture or get a penalty - damaging his race and protecting Kimi - and possibly benefitting SV. MV being MV did the predictable thing and fell right into it. Mug.

As for MV. Well he's very very fast. And he's looking like somebody who throws away points. On Sunday he threw away a victory. Whatever penalties people are suggesting - I think that already hurts. And he's increasingly making Ricciardo look like a more sensible strategic decision for Red Bull to commit to. I think MV just added a few $$$$million to DR's negotiating position.
 

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