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Formula One 2018 - General Thread

Petrol Pete said:
No point in pushing the '2 move' rule as it only affected one team who retried both cars and drivers in a split second. No one else involved.
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I do see your point but if it's a rule then it should be enforced or it sets a precedent for others racing their team mates or arguably racing anyone. I saw it as predominantly Max's fault and I don't think he is that bothered. Earlier he banged wheels with Daniel almost pushing him into the wall and Daniel also backed out as he would have collided with his team mate. Max expects others to yield even if it is his team mate.

Yes Lewis was lucky but then again so was Seb in other races.

Bottas was very unlucky and Lauda has a very good point regarding the safety car.
 
bob6600 said:
I do see your point but if it's a rule then it should be enforced or it sets a precedent for others racing their team mates or arguably racing anyone. I saw it as predominantly Max's fault and I don't think he is that bothered. Earlier he banged wheels with Daniel almost pushing him into the wall and Daniel also backed out as he would have collided with his team mate. Max expects others to yield even if it is his team mate.

Yes Lewis was lucky but then again so was Seb in other races.

Bottas was very unlucky and Lauda has a very good point regarding the safety car.
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Yes It's a shame DR career is on the downslope (time/age wise compared to his team mate) MV is still very young and has more years left to become an F1 champ. He will be the one no one really wants as a tem mate...but that's how it was with Schumacher and look what he accomplished. OK some of his victories were tainted with 'unsportsmanlike' behaviour but MV appears to cut from the same cloth. Time will tell. I feel bad for DR he seems a genuine bloke who loves to race and could do without his team mate banging wheels. Lets see what the top brass at RB say.
 
Max is a loose cannon. Very difficult for others to know what the heck is is going to do next. He is also dillusional in that he never seems to accept that he may be at fault. Very like Schumacher.
 
Toto Wolff had some interesting things to say about tyre temperature operating windows after the race . It would appear Ferrari are better at achieving and /or maintaining the situation that places their cars in the optimum tyre operating window than Mercedes this year. Not all the time during the race obviously but enough to make a difference?
 
bob6600 said:
Both drivers were found at fault and both reprimanded
Max Verstappen, Daniel Ricciardo reprimanded for all-Red Bull Azerbaijan GP crash
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If this were an isolated incident then I would leave as is - both drivers were punsihed throught the outcome and additional penalties were unecessary.

However. MV has previous on the issue of moving in the braking zone and got off too lightly for this in the past.

I think he needs points on his licence. The evidence so far is that he's inspired and brilliant at times but also needs a bit of attitude polishing to become the real deal.
 
Lewis had a lucky win but that makes up for previous race where it went Vettel’s way.

The last minute move to overtake by Vettel was a risky one for him but it could so easily have come off, he was skilful in staying on track.

This is the sort of move LH used to try and does make F1 exciting, is it me or has Lewis become a more cautious driver no longer willing to go all out?

Bad luck for Bottas though.

Robin
 
This sums it up: From the Sky Sports Article:

"Verstappen has now been involved in incidents at all four races in 2018 and scored just 18 points, leaving him eighth in the standings."

My View:

As with LH and NR and countless other "equal driver standings" within a team there are times when it simply cannot work by it's own devices. That is when the team has to take control. 800 people in the team go to work to provide these guys with a platform that allows them to race at the highest level and they have now shown that they just ignore Horner's very simple, basic instructions "do not crash into each other". I have a feeling that both drivers feel bigger than the team. MV believing his own press coverage and thinking he already is multiple Drivers World Champion and DR believing that Red Bull are desperate to keep him in the team.

I think, that as we saw with Mercedes, something will have to change, that is not instigated by the drivers. They will just keep crashing their cars in the belief that the other guy will get fired.
 
I think it may also sway DR away from Red Bull. They are very close to being told that they cannot race each other, which neither want to hear.

It reminds me of when Vettel and Webber had problems. The famous 'Multi 21' event was pure defiance by Vettel and Webber said after the race that 'Seb will get away with it because he is protected by the team' as he was their golden boy. Seems a bit similar with Max. Whilst they don't treat Daniel harshly, they do seem to be more Max orientated.
 
bob6600 said:
Whilst they don't treat Daniel harshly, they do seem to be more Max orientated.
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Well the problem for DR is that MV is as fast overall if not actually quite a bit faster at times.

The problem for RB is that DR has been rather better at getting race results whereas MV has been capable of throwing points away.

What do you do? RB can't afford to lose MV - the potential is just too great and also losing him to another team is like giving away a strategic weapon.

What would you do ? In fact if you were Mercedes or Ferrari and after this both MV and DR were threatening to leave RB would you go after either of them if they were available?

My gut feel is that if I was a team owner thinking strategically is that I'd want MV - but you're really figuring that he has at least another year or two to line up his talents and maturity - at which point with the right car you're looking at a multiple WDC career. OTOH - thinking about next year - I'd want DR.

I think DR is the driver that RB need now and next year. MV is the driver they don't want anybody else to have and want for the years after.

Pity that DR's alternatives are so limited - he'd be better somewhere else.
 
Hamilton accuses Vettel of breaking safety car rules

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Lewis Hamilton has accused title rival Sebastian Vettel of breaking the rules behind the safety car during the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.

Mercedes driver Hamilton said Vettel drove dangerously by slowing down and speeding up repeatedly.

The Briton said he would be seeking clarification on what was allowed from FIA Formula 1 director Charlie Whiting before the next race in Spain.

"You are not allowed to start and stop, start and stop," said Hamilton.

"You're not allowed to fake the guy behind.

more...
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Dryce said:
Well the problem for DR is that MV is as fast overall if not actually quite a bit faster at times.

The problem for RB is that DR has been rather better at getting race results whereas MV has been capable of throwing points away.

What do you do? RB can't afford to lose MV - the potential is just too great and also losing him to another team is like giving away a strategic weapon.
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I rather like Alan Jones suggestion which is to swap Max for Pierre Gasly at Toro Rosso until he learns to behave.
 
Stratman said:
Hamilton accuses Vettel of breaking safety car rules
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YOu know it was always taught. If you have nothing to say????? Say nothing. Lewis really needs to do that sometimes. He seems constantly to crave something to moan about.

I had the biggest luck out since luck got lucky and won a race putting me in the lead of the championship. What can I think about to say that is bad about everybody else????

Has he forgotten his own "slowing down escapades" so quickly? No I suspect not. I think he just craves the attention that he then claims to dislike. Give him a week and he will be sat back on the naughty step with his GameBoy and pout. Loved the comments yesterday about how he hates being interviewed without a hat on. The man who makes his head look like wedding cake, but hates being interviewed when its on view...
 
Mactech said:
Did I hear 28 consecutive points scoring finishes now for Lewis?.....and what do points make?:dk:
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I think after the initial results people hadn't realised just how close the points gap was between LH an SV even though LH had no wins. So the WDC for LH was already being written off before the weekend.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. A 'bad day' for LH is the second or third step of the podium - a really bad day is a points finish below that - and a finish outside the points is so infrequent we tend to forget it's possible.
 
Dryce said:
I think after the initial results people hadn't realised just how close the points gap was between LH an SV even though LH had no wins. So the WDC for LH was already being written off before the weekend.

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. A 'bad day' for LH is the second or third step of the podium - a really bad day is a points finish below that - and a finish outside the points is so infrequent we tend to forget it's possible.
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More calls to widen the points gap between 1st, 2nd, etc. As it stands you could win without ever winning.


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brucemillar said:
More calls to widen the points gap between 1st, 2nd, etc. As it stands you could win without ever winning.
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It's really hard to get the points right.

The old 9 for a win and 6 for second didn't preclude a driver with a few wins in an unreliable car being beaten by driver with no wins but a more reloable car.

Whatever change you make - clever and well intended - there is the risk of unintended consequences.

You could even split the system - count wins and points separately. So you'd get a system with say 2/65 to indicate that a druver had two wins and 65 points. You first rank drivers against wins and then subrank within those rankigns based on points. So a driver on two wins and no other points finishes on 2/50 would beat a driver with loads of points but 1 win on 220 points on 1/220.

Somebody somewhere will point out a problem. It's not a new issue either.

Does anybody remember the complexities of the 60s and 70s with split seasons and also only being allowed to tot up points from a subset of races where you score them?

List of Formula One World Championship points scoring systems - Wikipedia
 
brucemillar said:
More calls to widen the points gap between 1st, 2nd, etc. As it stands you could win without ever winning.


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IIRC, Keke Rosberg won only one GP the year he won the championship...
 
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