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Vettel could be in a spot of bother with the stewards. He was called to the weighbridge and drove at a steward standing in front of it, "because I was in a hurry"
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If it wasn't for bad luck, he'd have no luck at all .....
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Seb was supposed to turn his engine off, but instead kept it running (because there was no-one from his team there) and damaged the weigh scales when he drive off. With changing conditions it did seem a bit unfair to call him in to be weighed, the officials weren't even ready for him. However, he could be in bother fir not following procedure and for wrecking the scales.
I also think Lewis may be in bother for his move towards Sirotkin. I certainly think Sirotkin would be in trouble had it been the other way around.
I also think Lewis may be in bother for his move towards Sirotkin. I certainly think Sirotkin would be in trouble had it been the other way around.
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Seb escaped the grid penalty and got a reprimand and 25k Euro fine. He didn't switch off the engine at first as he drove onto the scales (should be pushed on). However, on the scales he did turn it off but then restarted it from the car's battery and drove off, destroying the rear scales. He was frustrated (and rightly so) but he was VERY lucky not to get a grid penalty.
So Ferrari to start on the Soft tyre and MB on the Super-Soft. Should be a good race
So Ferrari to start on the Soft tyre and MB on the Super-Soft. Should be a good race
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In the green room before the podium, Hamilton told Verstappen that Ocon had the right to unlap himself. Verstappen agreed, but added: "But you can't crash."
Hamilton responded: “You had more to lose than he did. He had nothing to lose."
Wisdom versus petulant youth?
Hamilton responded: “You had more to lose than he did. He had nothing to lose."
Wisdom versus petulant youth?
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In an interview with Sky, Max said 'I am a winner'. Sorry Max but you proved today that you are a loser imo. Not for losing the race but for pushing a fellow competitor.
Also, in the past when Max has been given a penalty for causing a collision, he has still said he wasn't wrong. But today he stated 'The stewards gave him a penalty so it says it all' (proves he was wrong). Double standards?
Oh and congratulations to MB on winning their 5th consecutive WCC and WDC
Also, in the past when Max has been given a penalty for causing a collision, he has still said he wasn't wrong. But today he stated 'The stewards gave him a penalty so it says it all' (proves he was wrong). Double standards?
Oh and congratulations to MB on winning their 5th consecutive WCC and WDC
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All a bit clumsy from Max and Ocon.
Max could do with taking his head out of his backside, it would help him to see the bigger picture. He is too willing to put his car into a position where he is reliant on the other driver to avoid making contact. In Brazil, he knew Ocon was there and still turned into the corner as if he wasn't. Given his race was with Lewis, and that Ocon couldn't just 'beam up', the resulting collision was inevitable. I think he needs to learn from this if he is going to be more consistent at winning than he is at crashing.
Being two laps down, Ocon should have been much more respectful of the lead cars and having not made a clear pass in turn one, should have given Max turn two. He would still have DRS down the next straight and could have perhaps made a clean pass into turn four. As it is, I think the stewards got it right with his penalty. Ocon has a tendency to put his car into spaces that are getting squeezed resulting in contact.
As for the paddock pushing 'incident', it was an embarrassment for F1. Max was out of order and he knows it. In post race interviews he had a face like smacked Rse. Even if Ocon is an irritating pr1ck (ask Sergio), pushing and shoving in front of the world media is not the way to deal with it.
Shame Seb had a problem with the car, would have been good to see the Constructer's going on to Abu Dhabi. Still, congrats to Lewis for the win and to MB for clinching the CC.
Max could do with taking his head out of his backside, it would help him to see the bigger picture. He is too willing to put his car into a position where he is reliant on the other driver to avoid making contact. In Brazil, he knew Ocon was there and still turned into the corner as if he wasn't. Given his race was with Lewis, and that Ocon couldn't just 'beam up', the resulting collision was inevitable. I think he needs to learn from this if he is going to be more consistent at winning than he is at crashing.
Being two laps down, Ocon should have been much more respectful of the lead cars and having not made a clear pass in turn one, should have given Max turn two. He would still have DRS down the next straight and could have perhaps made a clean pass into turn four. As it is, I think the stewards got it right with his penalty. Ocon has a tendency to put his car into spaces that are getting squeezed resulting in contact.
As for the paddock pushing 'incident', it was an embarrassment for F1. Max was out of order and he knows it. In post race interviews he had a face like smacked Rse. Even if Ocon is an irritating pr1ck (ask Sergio), pushing and shoving in front of the world media is not the way to deal with it.
Shame Seb had a problem with the car, would have been good to see the Constructer's going on to Abu Dhabi. Still, congrats to Lewis for the win and to MB for clinching the CC.
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While MV was hard done by I think he contributed to this situaton arising - he doesn't like being overtaken. Fighting Ocon for any corner was unecessary.
Can't help feeling that maybe Mercedes gave FI a call and suggested that their 'boy' have a go at Max and unlap himself - knowing that even if Ocon was 100% clean on a pass that it was at least 50:50 that MV would be a bit silly and squeeze him hard - and that there would be unecessary loss of time or an incident - or even a penalty of MV moved in the braking zone.
I wonder how much of MV's attitude after the race was down to embarassment rather than petulance. He was made to look a bit stupid. His subsequent actions just emphasised that he has issues. Horner needs to get angry with him in private. This time there was no WDC on the line for him. Next year it might be.
I really don't think for a minute that there was any 'conspiracy' from MB and the suggestion was strongly refuted by Otmar Szafnauer, (though of course it would be). There is (apparently) some history between Ocon and Max. In my view Ocon wanted to 'have a go' as much as anything just to wind Max up (which clearly worked). None of the F1 drivers or indeed any racing driver likes being overtaken and Max is no different. However if he wants to get the most out of his driving potential and be a successful F1 champion, he needs to focus on the war and not the battle. Letting Ocon through yesterday would have been the smart thing to do, he was racing Lewis not Ocon.
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Max gets 2 day's 'Public Service'
The full stewards' verdict on Verstappen
'The Stewards reviewed video evidence from the FIA's CCTV Cameras and heard from the driver of car 33 (Max Verstappen), the driver of car 31 (Esteban Ocon) and the team representatives. The driver, Max Verstappen entered the FIA Weigh Bridge Garage, proceded directly to Driver Esteban Ocon and following a few words, started an altercation, pushing or hitting Ocon forcefully several times in the chest.
The Stewards held a hearing, in which both drivers acted appropriately and cooperated with the Stewards. The Stewards understood from Max Verstappen that he was extremely upset by the incident on track during the race and accepted his explanation that it was not his origional intent to strike Ocon, but that he was "triggered" and caused him to loose his temper.
'While sympathetic to Verstappen's passion, the Stewards determined that it is the oligation of sportsmen at this level to act appropriately and as role models to other drivers at all levels and found that Verstappen failed in this respect. The Stewards therefore ordered that Max Verstappen is required to perform two (2) days of public service at the direction of the FIA within six months of the incident. (Penalty under Art. 12.3.1.c of the FIA International Sporting Code.)'
The full stewards' verdict on Verstappen
'The Stewards reviewed video evidence from the FIA's CCTV Cameras and heard from the driver of car 33 (Max Verstappen), the driver of car 31 (Esteban Ocon) and the team representatives. The driver, Max Verstappen entered the FIA Weigh Bridge Garage, proceded directly to Driver Esteban Ocon and following a few words, started an altercation, pushing or hitting Ocon forcefully several times in the chest.
The Stewards held a hearing, in which both drivers acted appropriately and cooperated with the Stewards. The Stewards understood from Max Verstappen that he was extremely upset by the incident on track during the race and accepted his explanation that it was not his origional intent to strike Ocon, but that he was "triggered" and caused him to loose his temper.
'While sympathetic to Verstappen's passion, the Stewards determined that it is the oligation of sportsmen at this level to act appropriately and as role models to other drivers at all levels and found that Verstappen failed in this respect. The Stewards therefore ordered that Max Verstappen is required to perform two (2) days of public service at the direction of the FIA within six months of the incident. (Penalty under Art. 12.3.1.c of the FIA International Sporting Code.)'
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Mercedes didn't need to call FI for help. Ocon was not long out of the pits on newer, softer compound tyres. As said, Max just doesn't like to be overtaken because he thinks no-one is as good as him. If he let Ocon go, within a lap or so he would have caught him back up and then Ocon would have been given the blue flags.
Be interesting to see how he progresses in his career but at this moment I don't like him at all.
Be interesting to see how he progresses in his career but at this moment I don't like him at all.
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I loved the way C4 at the end of the high lights show went back to Brazil 2001 to show a certain Jos Verstappen taking out race leader Montoya. Karma?
At 1:57...
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Neither do I. The real point is - that the way MV's head seems to work when somebody tries to pass - it's the sort of benign 'conspiracy' that would be worth trying!
IMO this goes back to the cost - to Max this time - and his competitors of him not being given sufficient punishment in the past for transgressions. He's being sold as a guy who sticks his elbows out and waggles his tail to make things difficult. He gets away with it - and he thinks he sends a message to other drivers to back off. Mr Tough Guy.
Well on Sunday we saw him pay the price. Mr Tough Guy didn't need to be tough on this occasion - and a little extra consideration for his position and a touch more maturity and he would have won. The guy is the real deal on talent - he's not a rookie - and if he doesn't learn from this then in a competitively fought WDC like this year's then he will throw away points and they will be much more valuable than the ones he lost from this weekend.
^^Couldn't agree more.
