New Shell VPower Nitro + Launched

[MarriedBlonde]

I do know the local Taxi drivers try to use Shell V-power Diesel and they make a living out of running there cars so I cant see them doing it without knowing the benefits.

Cabbies, the scientific master minds of the motoring world.

Ok I can counter your cabbie evidence as the ones down south use the cheapest fuel possible. Putting in a litre at a time to keep there cars as light as possible,changing gear at 800 rpm

So we need a few more posting up their local cabbies fuel pref so we can make a ruling


**** Please note this post is very much in jest and should be taken as such ****

 

[Osgee]

The main debate is do these fuels work...?


So many people come in on dyno days and ask why has my car got "X" power yet its ment to make "Y" according to the book, or that car made more power than mine but there both the same.....

The 1st question asked is normally what fuel do you use....... 90% of the time this is the key

Two engines exactly the same will make different power figures but this can be exaggerated buy running lower grade fuel in one and not the other, forced induction cars more so.

Im not telling people what fuel to use im just sharing my findings through experience,

People go to the gym to keep fit, you wont die if you dont go, you will operate just the same as the gym guy, you just wont be as healthy.

If you havent got the option for the higher grade fuels thers not much you can do.

Try it yourself, run your 63 on normal pump gas get her dyno'd run the higher grade fuel for a week or two and then dyno it again and see the results for your self a ford fiesta may not see a difference but your AMG will

 

[Conquistador]

Has it got nitro in it?

I've always just stuck basic supermarket petrol in my Audi and thought nothing of it.

I thought I'd give this new Shell petrol a go after hearing about it non-stop through all their advertising, so have been filling my tank with it for the past few weeks and I must say its certainly running smoother. Hard to put my finger on exactly what it is but 'smoother' is the word I'd use. I think I'll definitely now carry on putting higher octane petrol in, whether it be the Shell Vpower Nitro+ or Tesco Momentum etc.

 

[Osgee]

Cabbies, the scientific master minds of the motoring world.

Ok I can counter your cabbie evidence as the ones down south use the cheapest fuel possible. Putting in a litre at a time to keep there cars as light as possible,changing gear at 800 rpm

So we need a few more posting up their local cabbies fuel pref so we can make a ruling

**** Please note this post is very much in jest and should be taken as such ****

Lol

I think tbh some prob run the better diesel to help them get through the smog tests not sure???

But like I said im not clued up with diesels

 

[Sp!ke]

Trouble is that I can't find any science behind this Nitro fuel claim other than that it contains more friction modifiers than normal fuel.

I cannot even find out the official ethanol content.


So yes, it *might* be good for your car but equally it might not, trouble is there's no way of knowing at this point.

 

[MarriedBlonde]

Exactly what I've been trying to say all along and even more important with modern diesels, thank you for a professional opinion.

I can give you a professional opinion, it doesn't mean it is relevant...

 

[Osgee]

Trouble is that I can't find any science behind this Nitro fuel claim other than that it contains more friction modifiers than normal fuel.

I cannot even find out the official ethanol content.

So yes, it *might* be good for your car but equally it might not, trouble is there's no way of knowing at this point.

I agree, only time will tell with this one.

 

[MarriedBlonde]

Its one of those arguments that is going to run...

 

[scillyisles1]

I put Shell V Power petrol into all my performance cars and use Shell V Power Diesel in my daily driver. I have also used Tesco Super 99 now called Momentum 99 when used to shop at Tesco's.

Let's have a look at some facts rather than unproven claims.

Fact 1 - Supermarkets now sell just under 50% of all fuel in the UK.
Fact 2 - there are seven refineries in the UK. They are:
- Essar Stanlow
- Ineos Grangemouth
- Phillips 66 Humberside
- Total Humberside
- Murco Milford Haven
- Valero Pembroke.
- Exxon Mobil - Fawley
Interesting that Shell do not own a refinery.
Fact 3 - all fuel in the UK comes from these refineries.
Fact 4 - Fuel is distributed around the UK from various fuel distribution terminals. The refineries are connected to some of these terminals via pipelines. Here is a schematic showing these pipeline connections.
http://www.ukpia.com/Libraries/Download/UK_map_of_refineries_and_terminals_-_July_2012.sflb.ashx
Fact 5 - all fuel produced from these refineries is produced according to a set standards - BS EN228 whatever.

Given the above some observations spring to mind :
- the only way brands can distinguish their fuel product from another would be via some after refinery additive and use marketing to convince people that paying more for this additive is good for them, their car, the environment, their fuel economy etc. Perhaps is might also help to associate their fuel with halo brands like perhaps Ferrari.
- if supermarkets are really selling rubbish fuel as some posters would have you believe and as stated here they sell just under 50% of all fuel in the UK why are we not seeing mass damage to car engines caused by all this sub standard fuel.

 

[BTB 500]

Fact 3 - all fuel in the UK comes from these refineries.

Pretty sure that UK refining capacity is less than consumption i.e. some fuel sold here is imported.

 

[BTB 500]

Interesting that Shell do not own a refinery.

However Shell supply the crude used by Stanlow and take the fuel produced. These contracts were part of the deal when it was sold:

Shell sells UK Stanlow refinery to Essar Oil (UK) Limited - United Kingdom

 

[anubis]

If anyone is interested, you can have £20's worth of Shell fuel for tenner..

http://www.mightydeals.co.uk/deals/national/Home-Garden/Shell-Drivers-Club-Loyalty-Card-/6955

Not sure if it will allow me to put the URL someone let me know how if it doesn't

Every little helps!

 

[flango]

I
Let's have a look at some facts rather than unproven claims.

Fact 1 - Supermarkets now sell just under 50% of all fuel in the UK.
Fact 2 - there are seven refineries in the UK. They are:
- Essar Stanlow
- Ineos Grangemouth
- Phillips 66 Humberside
- Total Humberside
- Murco Milford Haven
- Valero Pembroke.
- Exxon Mobil - Fawley
Interesting that Shell do not own a refinery.
Fact 3 - all fuel in the UK comes from these refineries.
Fact 4 - Fuel is distributed around the UK from various fuel distribution terminals. The refineries are connected to some of these terminals via pipelines. Here is a schematic showing these pipeline connections.
http://www.ukpia.com/Libraries/Download/UK_map_of_refineries_and_terminals_-_July_2012.sflb.ashx
Fact 5 - all fuel produced from these refineries is produced according to a set standards - BS EN228 whatever.

Let's have a look at some facts rather than unproven claims.

Good Idea

Fact 1 - Supermarkets now sell just under 50% of all fuel in the UK.

45.2% to be exact

Fact 2 - there are seven refineries in the UK. They are:
- Essar Stanlow
- Ineos Grangemouth
- Phillips 66 Humberside
- Total Humberside
- Murco Milford Haven
- Valero Pembroke.
- Exxon Mobil - Fawley

There are 9 refieries in the UK, You missed Lindsey and Teeside

Interesting that Shell do not own a refinery.
Fact 3 - all fuel in the UK comes from these refineries.

No it doesn't Shell V Power is Imported from Qatar from the Pearl Refinery a joint venture between Shell and Qatar Petroleum V Power is a GTL fuel of which there are very few refineries worldwide

Fact 4 - Fuel is distributed around the UK from various fuel distribution terminals. The refineries are connected to some of these terminals via pipelines. Here is a schematic showing these pipeline connections.
http://www.ukpia.com/Libraries/Download/UK_map_of_refineries_and_terminals_-_July_2012.sflb.ashx

True for UK refined fuels

Fact 5 - all fuel produced from these refineries is produced according to a set standards - BS EN228 whatever.



I love facts

Advanced GTL fuels burn cleaner leave less deposits, the additives packages are better than supermarket fuels and when you have seen as many engines as I have stripped that have been run on supermarket fuels and failed then use Supermarket fuels at your peril but I'd add Millers additive. V Power, Momentum, or BP Ultimate only for me

 

[C240Sport97]

No it doesn't Shell V Power is Imported from Qatar from the Pearl Refinery a joint venture between Shell and Qatar Petroleum V Power is a GTL fuel of which there are very few refineries worldwide



Advanced GTL fuels burn cleaner leave less deposits, the additives packages are better than supermarket fuels and when you have seen as many engines as I have stripped that have been run on supermarket fuels and failed then use Supermarket fuels at your peril but I'd add Millers additive. V Power, Momentum, or BP Ultimate only for me

fascinating, thanks!

So you think Tesco 99 is OK?

 

[LTD]

I put Shell V Power petrol into all my performance cars and use Shell V Power Diesel in my daily driver. I have also used Tesco Super 99 now called Momentum 99 when used to shop at Tesco's.

Let's have a look at some facts rather than unproven claims.

There you have it !!!

 

[flango]

fascinating, thanks!

So you think Tesco 99 is OK?

It would be my 3rd choice, V Power first then BP Ultimate then Momentum. If none of these are available I usually drop down to Total Excellium.

I can't say for sure but I don't think Momentum has the same additive packages as Shell & BP. Mine definitely runs smoother on Shell and BP

 

[scillyisles1]

Let's have a look at some facts rather than unproven claims.

Good Idea

Fact 1 - Supermarkets now sell just under 50% of all fuel in the UK.

45.2% to be exact


Fact 2 - there are seven refineries in the UK. They are:
- Essar Stanlow
- Ineos Grangemouth
- Phillips 66 Humberside
- Total Humberside
- Murco Milford Haven
- Valero Pembroke.
- Exxon Mobil - Fawley

There are 9 refieries in the UK, You missed Lindsey and Teeside

Interesting that Shell do not own a refinery.
Fact 3 - all fuel in the UK comes from these refineries.

No it doesn't Shell V Power is Imported from Qatar from the Pearl Refinery a joint venture between Shell and Qatar Petroleum V Power is a GTL fuel of which there are very few refineries worldwide

Fact 4 - Fuel is distributed around the UK from various fuel distribution terminals. The refineries are connected to some of these terminals via pipelines. Here is a schematic showing these pipeline connections.
http://www.ukpia.com/Libraries/Download/UK_map_of_refineries_and_terminals_-_July_2012.sflb.ashx

True for UK refined fuels

Fact 5 - all fuel produced from these refineries is produced according to a set standards - BS EN228 whatever.



I love facts

Advanced GTL fuels burn cleaner leave less deposits, the additives packages are better than supermarket fuels and when you have seen as many engines as I have stripped that have been run on supermarket fuels and failed then use Supermarket fuels at your peril but I'd add Millers additive. V Power, Momentum, or BP Ultimate only for me

1. I said under just under 50% of all fuel for supermarkets. The article which describes this is Supermarkets now sell almost half of all petrol sold in UK - Telegraph
As you say the exact figure is 45.52 i.e. 4.48% under 50 %.

2. Teeside refinery closed in 2009. The Lindsey terminal is the Total one which is actually on the South side of the Humber. see UKPIA - Refining Britain's Fuels - Refineries
3.Shell V Power exists in two forms the petrol form is not imported from Qatar it is produced at Stanlow. I think most performance AMG models run on petrol. The diesel form of Shell V Power uses GTL technology which currently comes from Qatar. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_V-Power UK refineries produce 85% of all UK fuel. From reading the UKPIA reports it looks like the 15% difference is mostly accounted for by biofuel imports which the UK does not produce much of.

 

[flango]

1. I said under just under 50% of all fuel for supermarkets. The article which describes this is Supermarkets now sell almost half of all petrol sold in UK - Telegraph
As you say the exact figure is 45.52 i.e. 4.48% under 50 %.

2. Teeside refinery closed in 2009. The Lindsey terminal is the Total one which is actually on the South side of the Humber. see UKPIA - Refining Britain's Fuels - Refineries
3.Shell V Power exists in two forms the petrol form is not imported from Qatar it is produced at Stanlow. I think most performance AMG models run on petrol. The diesel form of Shell V Power uses GTL technology which currently comes from Qatar. see Shell V-Power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia UK refineries produce 85% of all UK fuel. From reading the UKPIA reports it looks like the 15% difference is mostly accounted for by biofuel imports which the UK does not produce much of.

I'm not having a go

Teeside re-opened under Greenergy and commenced production on 29th November 2012

Stanlow does indeed produce V Power Petrol but the synthesised feedstock comes from Qatar from the GTL plant it is not refined from crude oil.

Shell V Power diesel is GTL refined and imported mainly from Qatar but also a small amount used to come in from Malaysia.

UK Biofuel (Biodiesel + Bioethanol) production capacity is 918 million litres, In 2011 UK Production was 230 million litres, whilst the amount consumed was 1.5 billion litres. (source DECC) so this would support a large quantity was imported?

 

[moonloops]

fascinating, thanks!

So you think Tesco 99 is OK?

It is, I always put a few shots of forte petrol treatment in the tank every 3 to 4 months in compensation for lack of detergents..

 

[markjay]

Premium fuels keep your engine clean. Not everyone cares about that. It's horses for courses.

The problem is that fuel companies figured that clean engines are not sexy, while Formula 1 is. So they market these fuels while pushing the performance angle, which in most scenarios and for most cars is insignificant or unnoticeable.

Hence the confusion... yes these fuels are over-hyped regarding their performance advantage for road cars.

But for those who do care about their car's engine, it's a no brainer - premium fuels will keep it healthier for longer.