Nice Rosberg.. Deliberate?

[Dieselman]

^ I agree. Alonso shows very good all round ability, but has not had the right breaks on the team choice.

 

[John Jones Jr]

For me the difference is that Alonso just about always seems to get the maximum out of any given situation .

My take too.

 

[mat8n]

Generally when all things are equal in a team one driver comes out top. The better driver.

People are saying rosberg is nothing great, yet he is ahead of Hamilton.

Hamilton has never really shone in a team like vettle, Schumacher, Alonso, prost etc, Yes the season with Alonso proved he's a good driver, but the way he's put on a pedestal by some folk, I really don't think it's deserved.

Yes Hamilton has had bad luck, as have most of the others, there's no lucky drivers out there.

If he is THAT good why is he not a multiple world champion, senna, Alonso, Schumacher won world championship in inferior cars, Hamilton struggles in the best and is kept honest by his team mates and inferior cars.

You see young drivers coming up and doing what's expected, vettle, riccardo, hulkenberg, grosgeon after one year in F1, Hamiltons a veteran now and we're still waiting.

I'm not anti Hamilton, I'd love to see him or any other English man win the championship. I just don't see him through rose tinted glasses.

To me Alonso is a class above, he's the senna of this generation, going to the right team and the wrong time, yet still being up there and proving it's the driver not the car. There's not many who do that, take vettle this year is an example. All the other drivers need a car, where as the cars need Alonso.

Rosberg is an also ran.

Just my opinions

 

[John Jones Jr]

The likes of Senna & Schumacher only come along once in a blue moon understandably. I haven't seen the new one yet...

Actually, I'd love to see a few more races in the wet.

 

[cb1965]

To me Alonso is a class above, he's the senna of this generation, going to the right team and the wrong time, yet still being up there and proving it's the driver not the car.

Yet he hasn't won a title since 2006..... the trouble with these arguments is so much depends on the being in the right car at the right time.

Alonso in the Red Bull would probably have won all the titles that Seb won as would Hamilton in all likelihood.

You only really get a comparison when two of them are in the same team which rarely happens and even then a lot depends on luck and how the actual car suits them.

One thing I will say is that i often look for how drivers perform across all the cars they drive. To me it is clear Alonso gets the best out of any car he sits in as did Schumacher.

Lewis is also in that category for me ... when the tyre regs came in everyone said he would suffer as he was known for leaning on his tyres, but he simply adapted his style to the new regs. Same with the fuel limitation, everyone said he would use way more fuel than everyone else and he simply adapted and actually uses less. He has also won at least one GP in every season he has driven in... I know always being in one of the better teams has helped that, but it is still a good statistic to have!

Now.. if we could just cut him off from talking when not in the car

 

[wemorgan]

But can we all agree that Maldonado is the worst?

 

[mat8n]

All the drivers adapted.

Hamilton through his career has been in one of the top cars. He really should have had more world championships. Yes the red bulls killed a few years.

Alonso hasn't been in a competitive car since 2007 yet he's always included as a main championship contender.

If they had been in each others cars I feel Alonso would have achieved more than Hamilton, and he would be leaving rosberg in his dust.

 

[cb1965]

All the drivers adapted.

Vettel hasn't, Kimi hasn't. Just saying.

 

[Dryce]

To me Alonso is a class above, he's the senna of this generation, going to the right team and the wrong time, yet still being up there and proving it's the driver not the car. There's not many who do that, take vettle this year is an example. All the other drivers need a car, where as the cars need Alonso.

I think FA has become a better driver each year - which is why - even though LH has improved - my bet is if he was in the MB team with LH then we'd see LH getting a minority % of the wins - and FA woulds always be capable of grinding out more points in adversity.

However.

My view of FA is diminished by his behaviour at McLaren and even more so by the fact that he didn't voluntarily give up the Singapore win after 'crash-gate'. The FIA should have taken it away officially. Keeping that tainted 'victory' has tainted him badly in my eyes.

Rosberg is an also ran.

I think NR has been underated - even without the DNFs he'd still take a minority % of wins from LH. That makes him rather more than an also-ran.

 

[kianok]

But can we all agree that Maldonado is the worst?

If it wasn't for the sponsorship money that he brings with him from PDVSA, he would have been out on his ar$e a long time ago.

 

[Derek Smith]

All the drivers adapted.

Hamilton through his career has been in one of the top cars. He really should have had more world championships. Yes the red bulls killed a few years.

Alonso hasn't been in a competitive car since 2007 yet he's always included as a main championship contender.

If they had been in each others cars I feel Alonso would have achieved more than Hamilton, and he would be leaving rosberg in his dust.

I'm a big Mclaren fan and have been for years, since Dennis took over in fact. But even I have to say that the McLaren has gone downhill and has been struggling for years. Indeed, in most recent ones they were behind the Ferrari.

Whilst opinions might differ - and that is a fun part of F1 - I have to say that the McLaren has not been able to provide a car capable of winning the WDC for many years.

Now let's never speak of this again.

 

[John Jones Jr]

I think NR has been underated - even without the DNFs he'd still take a minority % of wins from LH. That makes him rather more than an also-ran.

I wouldn't disagree. And no mean feat out driving team mate Michael Schumacher even if Schumacher wasn't at the height of his career.

 

[wemorgan]

Monza was quite a comprehensive victor for LH. NR lost nearly 10s to LH when LH was down in 4th. Decent damage limitation w/e for NR.

Roll on to the next GP.

 

[Bellow]

Yep, points deficit down from 29 to 22. If LH can do the same as he did today for the next three races he's within one point of NR. Which then leaves another three races, the final one with double points. He can still win this.
Did anyone notice the expression on Toto Wolff's face when Lewis passed Nico when he outbraked himself?

 

[wemorgan]

For this w/e at least the moment has swung to LH. The fans, the team and his performance are all in his favour for now.

 

[V12]

Did anyone notice the expression on Toto Wolff's face when Lewis passed Nico when he outbraked himself?

Yes.

 

[Harrythedog]

For this w/e at least the moment has swung to LH. The fans, the team and his performance are all in his favour for now.

I totally agree, a great drive by Hamilton but without a doubt the next big superstar is going to be Richiardo

 

[Bellow]

Yes.

Was he smiling? And if so why do we suppose that was?....
(Three possible scenarios I can envisage - only two of them plausible).

 

[Senninha]

We probably all saw the candid smile from Toto ... which he covered in the post race interview as a note to himself to remember the cameras are always there ... Mmmm

unheard team orders .... unlikely but an internal way of repairing the rift maybe?
NR's own decision as he'd done it once so wouldn't look deliberate if happened again?
for the second incident - it really was pressure getting to him?

All plausible and worthy of armchair debate IMHO

 

[wemorgan]

I don't buy NR mistake being team orders. Simply, because it does not offer parity with what NR did to LH. (ie. loses 18-25 points)

Unless.......NR repeats this gift until all points are made up. This would be too incredulous for me to believe.

LH was the faster driver this w/e and he won because of it. IMHO