Only 17 months for this!! :(

[Deleted member 37751]

If you read the article you will see the bus driver had already cut the cyclist up on the roundabout, which is why the cyclist was unhappy.

100% the bus drivers fault for the whole situation.

Having once had a bus driver use his bus to force his way to undertake me at a merging of lanes, then to say he had right of way due to being a bigger vehicle, I can understand the cyclists point of view.

I understand the 'cyclists' point of view as well, I've been knocked off my bike a few times over the years, but I'd rather not be rammed off my bike and take the moral high ground.

I'd much rather flag the bus driver off and get out of his way, in a 'moment of madness' a normally mild mannered man driving a bus can be turned into a killer.

Martyrdom seems to be the attitude of certain cyclists.



(and I did read the article...)

 

[grober]

Posted on the other forum LiveLeak.com - Bike rider Takes Revenge on Rude Driver.

 

[stevieb15]

Im from Cambridge where we have 10x the nation average of cyclists. After my car my 2nd hobby is my Mountain bike.

I cycle too and from work everyday and only yesterday a Taxi driver would couldnt be bothered to wait for the quene to move pulled out without indicating into the cycle lane virtually knocking myself and 2 other cyclists off, he then started beeping his horn and driving up agaist us, I should have got his Reg number.

Yes there are ass-hole cyclists, and that cyclist in the video was prob making a point but the actions of that bus driver are horrific.

Agree with you all the way, however most cyclists and most taxi drivers fit pretty neatly into the complete w****r category and I'm never surprised at the antics of either.

 

[@MARK]

Posted on the other forum LiveLeak.com - Bike rider Takes Revenge on Rude Driver.

That's exactly what people are talking about and why cyclists get a bad rap

Causing physical damage like that is uncalled for and deserves to be punished (although not by running the cyclist down with a bus of course).

 

[John]

If you read the article you will see the bus driver had already cut the cyclist up on the roundabout, which is why the cyclist was unhappy.

Hmm, I think I'd rather see the cut up manouvre, rather than read it, to see whether the cyclist was 100% not to blame, first.

 

[Dryce]

Hmm, I think I'd rather see the cut up manouvre, rather than read it, to see whether the cyclist was 100% not to blame, first.

I love this idea of 'blame'.

It's OK to try and kill someone who mouths off at you?

So what if the cyclist was acting up? That is zero excuse for the driver of a larger and heavier vehicle to attack them with it.

 

[@MARK]

Hmm, I think I'd rather see the cut up manouvre, rather than read it, to see whether the cyclist was 100% not to blame, first.

Is this in case the cyclist deserved what happened?

I don't care if the cyclist had spat in the bus drivers face and called his mother a whore, it's still no excuse for what in my eyes is tantamount to attempted murder

 

[renault12ts]

The driver was wound up...a dangerous situation for the cyclist to get himself into IMO.

 

[Dryce]

The driver was wound up...a dangerous situation for the cyclist to get himself into IMO.

While it's a bad idea to provoke people that doesn't excuse the action at all.

If you have a verbal with someone that doesn't excuse you from assaulting them with a weapon.

(Though it reduces my sympathy for the victim it doesn't reduce the crime).

There are situations of severe provocation which can mitigate some crimes but not road rage IMO.

 

[John]

I'd want to see what happened in the first place with regard to the cyclist. It seems to ellude the bus driver started the whole thing but we don't know the full story there.

I'm not sure why you both are suddenly reading into that that I am suggesting the bus driver was right to do what he did.

 

[219]

Dryce you forget that ministers have a budget and --

• record number in prison = expensive
• crime = expensive
• hip operation = expensive
• social work intervention = expensive
• winter coal allowance = expensive

-putting people in prison works but cheaper alternatives would be good, compartmentalising ministerial budgets is a mistake.

The main reason for lenient sentencing is that we just can't afford to keep building more prisons and the cost of keeping people in them .

Barbaric as some will no doubt say it is , corporal punishment for certain offences would be much cheaper and probably a greater deterrent .

If muggers , burglars , low level drug dealers and others were sentenced to a public flogging instead of fines by installment or short to medium length prison sentences reduced for 'good behaviour' , fewer would be likely to reoffend . A few good floggings being done in the street outside the court would also be a sobering deterrent for other would-be offenders .

Oh , and as well as the flogging , they should then have to do a period of hard labour - doing gardens for pensioners , repairing potholes in the roads , picking litter etc - or no more benefits paid for by the rest of us .

 

[Deleted member 37751]

It's OK to try and kill someone who mouths off at you?

So what if the cyclist was acting up? That is zero excuse for the driver of a larger and heavier vehicle to attack them with it.

I don't care if the cyclist had spat in the bus drivers face and called his mother a whore, it's still no excuse for what in my eyes is tantamount to attempted murder

I didn't realise that I was in the company of holy saints... People get wound up and react; the 'cyclist' has tried to use his 'vulnerability' as a weapon and took a bash for his arrogance.

Will he do it again? Errr.... no.

This goes back to my earlier point about martyrdom; would you rather be flattened by a bus just so you can take the moral high ground?

The bus driver obviously shouldn't have ran into him, no-ones saying that, but I find the 'cyclist' just as culpable.

 

[NW_Merc]

Anywhere that brings people in by ferry, airports don't carry immigrants unless they take to the under carriage which ends up with a tragedy as we've seen before.
Ireland should mirror the England model too! I just think we try to solve anyone else's mess yet our own doorstep is being damaged beyond hope, we look after the very people who are not UK citizens and want to come here to blow us up or erase our Christian values

I think you're taking things a little too extreme here. Think about what laws are present in other countries and then think about how good we have it here. I went to India and have been going since I was a youngster. Think about a police force who openly take bribes and won't attend even when a serious crime such as a murder has been committed unless they understand how much money will change hands. Or a health service that won't administer correct treatment because everyone in chain i.e. pharmacies, analysis labs etc are on the take and so the corruption works like a production line. Or even, government officials who are paid to do a job, but will intentionally delay official paperwork unless you make a deal with them to cross their palms with a back hander.

The media plays a big part in 'bigging up' stories. At the end of the day a judgement is just that, one individual who is heard and assessed by another or a group and where this happens there is always mistakes or interpretations. With regards to your, "we look after the very people who are not UK citizens and want to come here to blow us up or erase our Christian values" I do believe this is a small number of people and the rest of the population does not need to be tarnished by the same brush. Not all people want to blow up another group of people. In the same way, you would not like someone saying, "All westerners have no morals..." based on the antics of Katie Price.

I think, in my own opinion, you need to look at the bigger picture.

 

[Dryce]

I didn't realise that I was in the company of holy saints... People get wound up and react; the 'cyclist' has tried to use his 'vulnerability' as a weapon and took a bash for his arrogance.

And there was me thinking I'm the resident right wing b'stard from hell.

And you go and use the term 'holy saint'.

I'm mortified. (definitely not beatified).

The bus driver obviously shouldn't have ran into him, no-ones saying that, but I find the 'cyclist' just as culpable.

Well m'laud the pedestrian gave me a dirty look - so I thought it was OK to run him down. His fault as much as mine.

 

[219]

Hmm, I think I'd rather see the cut up manouvre, rather than read it, to see whether the cyclist was 100% not to blame, first.

CCTV footage from the roundabout shown in the BBC report linked to below .

In short , the bus enters the roundabout from his bus lane on the left , which takes him onto one of two lanes exiting to the left ; he needs to move over one lane to the right to continue round the roundabout and is well ahead of the cyclist at this point , trafficating right and making a safe lane change . Enter cyclist from behind , pedaling furiously , and starts to overtake bus which is already halfway into the same lane . Common sense would have dictated holding back and not putting oneself into conflict with another vehicle ( what he did was a bit like accelerating on a motorway to block someone merging safely in front from a slip road when there was no need for conflict in the first place ) .

IMHO , the cyclist was one of these assertive 'road warrior' types who always has an agenda and something to prove ; along with little or no sense of self preservation .

Like many others here , I cycle as well as drive ( but do neither in the manner of these two individuals ) .

 

[219]

Posted on the other forum LiveLeak.com - Bike rider Takes Revenge on Rude Driver.

When I used to commute into Edinburgh on my motorbike many years ago , if someone made a move like that to block me just for sheer badness , I used to give their mirrors a tweak , just to knock them out of alignment as a response in kind , but I would never go so far as to damage someone's car . If stopped in traffic , flipping up their nearside wiper blade then disappearing was another good tactic

 

[219]

Sorry , I forgot to post the link to the BBC report

BBC News - Bus driver jailed after driving into cyclist

 

[John]

CCTV footage from the roundabout shown in the BBC report linked to below .

In short , the bus enters the roundabout from his bus lane on the left , which takes him onto one of two lanes exiting to the left ; he needs to move over one lane to the right to continue round the roundabout and is well ahead of the cyclist at this point , trafficating right and making a safe lane change . Enter cyclist from behind , pedaling furiously , and starts to overtake bus which is already halfway into the same lane . Common sense would have dictated holding back and not putting oneself into conflict with another vehicle ( what he did was a bit like accelerating on a motorway to block someone merging safely in front from a slip road when there was no need for conflict in the first place ) .

IMHO , the cyclist was one of these assertive 'road warrior' types who always has an agenda and something to prove ; along with little or no sense of self preservation .

Like many others here , I cycle as well as drive ( but do neither in the manner of these two individuals ) .

Hmm, as I suspected. The cyclist was causing trouble from the start and right the way through.

 

[Bellow]

Re post # 93.
Secular values. A person can hold Christian values as is their right, but the country and government are secular.

 

[Scott_F]

Hmm, as I suspected. The cyclist was causing trouble from the start and right the way through.

After having been cut up from the inside on the roundabout.