The EV fact thread

[clk320x]

Please explain geriatric in this context?

He refers to drivers who do the speed limit (70 mph) in this way.

 

[clk320x]

I agree re efficiency, not sure why you think I'm knocking it. I'm just yet to see any real world decent range in cold black and white rather than predicted range... But your friend (with no evidence) sounds about right for EV range at 50 mph chugging along in an efficient Tesla

All of the motorway drive he was on AP at 70 mph. Why do you think he would be sitting at 50 mph? His entire trip average was approx 53 mph, but the town sections bring the trip mph down some what, as you know… it’s impossible to get an average speed of 70 mph between destinations unless you only count motorway sections.

This is also in a car with technically 800 bhp, so really costs should be compared with something like a E63S… the journey cost him circa £5 in total…

 

[clk320x]

55-65 mph in the slow lane, occasionally overtaking a lorry is pretty standard EV behaviour when I've been travelling NE to SW and back. But maybe those people are the amateurs and not the sophisticated MBclub EV drivers

By the way that is not a criticism just an observation... Going slow and steady is fine, just not my cup of tea at the moment

You’re clearly on different roads to the rest of us, I very rarely see a Tesla/EV in anything but the right hand lane on my daily drives between East Mids and Central London down the M1.

I’ve also very rarely been on a motorway in the UK where the traffic flows at 65 mph in the left hand lane?

 

[philnewmerc]

I could... if I was conducting a scientific experiment... which I am not.

And BTW, I've never done the 'brim-to-brim' test on any of my ICE cars, either... Instead, I just relied on the onboard computer.

It's interesting to know what the consumption is... interesting, but not important enough to actually do the hard work.

Fair enough . I'm not having a dig at you btw, just the whole EV predicted range vibe rather than actually completeld range. Anyway, a dashboard pic showing predicted range is as indicative as a 60 mpg 320cdi pic imho

 

[markjay]

Fair enough . I'm not having a dig at you btw, just the whole EV predicted range vibe rather than actually completeld range. Anyway, a dashboard pic showing predicted range is as indicative as a 60 mpg 320cdi pic imho

To clarify, I wasn't posting predictive range photos, instead I calculated the predicted range based on the energy consumption figures.

However, I do agree that there's no way of telling how accurate are the consumption figures and the distance figures showing on the dash, not without additional independent measurements.

 

[markjay]

Cars that take the longest to sell - some take 2.5 MONTHS to shift

If you own one of these 10 cars then don't expect to make a quick sale when it's time to replace it. That's because they all take between two and two-and-a-half months to shift on average.

mol.im

Numbers 2 and 3 on the quickest-selling car list may surprise you .....

 

[philnewmerc]

All of the motorway drive he was on AP at 70 mph. Why do you think he would be sitting at 50 mph?

Only because when I travel a long distance that's where EVs are sat, 55-65, heated seats on, heating low, wife looking angry, wallet feeling full ... But he might be an exception

 

[philnewmerc]

You’re clearly on different roads to the rest of us, I very rarely see a Tesla/EV in anything but the right hand lane on my daily drives between East Mids and Central London down the M1.

I’ve also very rarely been on a motorway in the UK where the traffic flows at 65 mph in the left hand lane?

Yes, traffic going to London in the SE is v slow on average. Normal outside-of-SE traffic speeds in my experience are maybe 55 inside, 65-70 middle, 75+ outside. So EVs tend to travel on inside or occasionally go for an overtake and stray into the middle lane before getting range anxiety... Or if heading to London in the SE they can then use the outside lane of the 3 slow lanes on offer

 

[philnewmerc]

Cars that take the longest to sell - some take 2.5 MONTHS to shift

If you own one of these 10 cars then don't expect to make a quick sale when it's time to replace it. That's because they all take between two and two-and-a-half months to shift on average.

mol.im

Numbers 2 and 3 on the quickest-selling car list may surprise you .....

"The car that takes the longest to sell is the Vauxhall Crossland SUV.... the fastest-selling car, the Kia XCeed."

No idea why this is so when they're both awful?

EVs are selling quickly apparently: so the plummeting used value is stimulating take up by the public (who's tax payer funded discount for companies caused the fall in value).

10-15 yr old RR Sport is hard to sell... Who knew

 

[PXW]

Only because when I travel a long distance that's where EVs are sat, 55-65, heated seats on, heating low, wife looking angry, wallet feeling full ... But he might be an exception

Your amusing but imaginary narrative doesn’t add a lot to this “EV Fact Thread”, does it?!

 

[markjay]

Only because when I travel a long distance that's where EVs are sat, 55-65, heated seats on, heating low, wife looking angry, wallet feeling full ... But he might be an exception

Not my situation, I can assure you...

 

[markjay]

....EVs are selling quickly apparently: so the plummeting used value is stimulating take up by the public...

Thank you! That's what I been saying on here for months now.... and yet the illogical argument that EV are both undesirable and unaffordable - at the same time - kept coming up again and again.

 

[markjay]

"The car that takes the longest to sell is the Vauxhall Crossland SUV.... the fastest-selling car, the Kia XCeed."

No idea why this is so when they're both awful?

Because this is a motoring forum.

But in the real world, the majority of second hand car buyers don't care about 'nice' or 'awful', instead what they do care about is running costs and reliability.

Regarding the latter, I owned two Vauxhalls for a total of 11 years, and a Kia for 5 years, and the article is spot on - these two brands are at the opposite sides of the reliability scale.

On the Vauxhalls, I needed a new instrument cluster after 6 months (warranty job), new oil cooler at 2 years old (warranty job), timing gear failure at 4 years old (cost partially covered by the manufacturer). The Kia needed.... absolutely nothing, and it came with a comprehensive 7 years warranty as well. These days, I'll take a Kia over a Vauxhall any time.

 

[philnewmerc]

Your amusing but imaginary narrative doesn’t add a lot to this “EV Fact Thread”, does it?!

Not imagining it, just observing it on long motorway runs Next time i head to the SW I'll try n grab pics

 

[PXW]

Not imagining it, just observing it on long motorway runs Next time i head to the SW I'll try n grab pics

You can “observe” anger of the wife, the wealth of the driver, the heater settings?? Just reads like more anti-EV FUD from where I’m sitting

 

[Alfie]

My friend has today driven from Coalville to EX17 comfortably without recharging or driving slowly in his Model S Performance - The journey is around 4 hours and 200 miles ish of high speed motorway driving. He will then recharge overnight at his families home. (His family live out in the sticks, so this is actually more convenient than looking for a fuel station, or god forbid stopping on route (we all know just how crucial saving a 10 min stop can be! )…

I fail to see any real life scenario where the typical driver would do any more than this without stopping anyway.

Then you need to open your eyes. Your friends scenario wont be the same as every other person. For instance its not a 10 minute stop its about 40 minutes if you can get a spot in a charging bay. Service stations are not a place I stop at other than for fuel (circa 5 minutes).



EV Fact, real life scenario:

I recently drove to Devon from Gloucestershire. I was delivering something to someone. It took 2.5 hrs there, 10 minutes to drop items off, turn around and came back. I could have repeated this three times without refuelling if I needed to, I didn't but as it happens I couldnt even complete it once in an electric vito.

 

[Alfie]

Until EVs became a threat, I didn’t realise just how much every minute saving mattered to a lot of people.

I wonder if people add up the minutes lost taking their cars for their yearly ‘service’, changing fluids, brakes etc…

Ahh thats easy. Its zero for me. The car is collected and delivered back.

 

[Alfie]

You’re clearly on different roads to the rest of us, I very rarely see a Tesla/EV in anything but the right hand lane on my daily drives between East Mids and Central London down the M1.

I’ve also very rarely been on a motorway in the UK where the traffic flows at 65 mph in the left hand lane?

I see plenty of (ugly ;-) ) Teslas flying along in the fast lane of the M4, well over 70mph. Seems to be only Teslas though. Most other EV drivers are at about 60mph in the inside lane with their noses in the air!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Ooooh I have a fact. This week I overtook an EV on the motorway (without being in congestion) for the first time since this thread started. That’s true too.

I really don’t see these slow moving EVs. Unless I happen to drive at an average of say 85 mph and then I whizz past just about everything and not just EVs.

 

[Bellow]

If you sell only cars powered by electricity, you can gradually move to renewable energy without forcing motorists to change cars again.

Pain now, jam tomorrow. Not many buying it.

Eventually, we'll get to 100% renewable energy.

Eventually - but not yet and by some margin and further demands such as heat pumps for domestic heating will push the date out further. ICE drivers are taxed (twice) on their CO2 emissions but EV drivers aren't - despite them not being zero CO2 emitters when fossil fuels are used to generate their electricity. For as long as the electricity isn't 100% renewably generated, the amount of electricity used by EVs which are substantially heavier than ICE models (F=ma) is a concern.
EV efficiency as we are now seeing is not the 90% efficient as claimed. Charging losses and when the weather is cold, losses from heating the battery reduce the efficiency. Factor in sub 50% efficiency from gas fired generation and the transmission losses and efficiency tumbles further. A diesel when running at design point is close to 40% efficient.
'Eventually' - reminds me of the well intentioned smoker or alcoholic going to quit - starting next week.

If you keep selling ICE cars... then cars will never be powered by renewable energy.

You mean if you keep running them on fossil fuels. Other options exist but for whatever reasons are being ignored.