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The EV fact thread

I suspect that the longevity of modern ICE cars will be equally challenged.

It will be challenged, but not to the same extent. There's nothing fundamental in an ICE vehicle that will die purely due to age, regardless of usage. Lithium batteries do, and in 40+ years that cell chemistry will be ancient history. The car's systems are designed to manage & charge only that type of cell, so it's not like you could replace the pack with anything else decades from now.
 
Electronics on modern cars probably will last rather less time than a modern EV battery..... and you will be able to get batteries or have one made up and the component's are all very similar. There are already touchscreens and ECUs in 10 year old cars that are unobtainable. My main ECU in my 15 year old car has not been available since 2020....so if it dies and can't be repaired or I can find and reprogram a used one.... thats it. Scrap yard time.
 
It will be challenged, but not to the same extent. There's nothing fundamental in an ICE vehicle that will die purely due to age, regardless of usage. Lithium batteries do, and in 40+ years that cell chemistry will be ancient history. The car's systems are designed to manage & charge only that type of cell, so it's not like you could replace the pack with anything else decades from now.

Should be straightforward in future to have an ancient EV modified to be powered by a then-new-tech battery replacing the outdated ones we have today. After all, we do this all the time with classic cars, e.g. replacing old 6v systems with 12v, for example - etc.

But I agree with ALFAitlaia that many other electronic systems won't survive and will not be repairable, for ICE and EV alike.
 
Funny i have never read or seen any studies demonstrating that the children of Tynemouth, North Tyneside are breathing cleaner air because of council EV vans. Please share or is it just some Khan factoid based on nothing more than political spin.
 
Funny i have never read or seen any studies demonstrating that the children of Tynemouth, North Tyneside are breathing cleaner air because of council EV vans. Please share or is it just some Khan factoid based on nothing more than political spin.

Similarly, I have never read or seen any studies demonstrating that children don't set fire to themselves by not playing with matches - and yet, common sense dictates that not allowing children to play with matches is a good idea.

Personally, I wouldn't want my kids or grandkids to breath the fumes that come out of the exhaust a Diesel-powered council van (or any other type of ICE vehicle, if I'm honest) - and if I am accused of employing common sense, then I am guilty as charged.
 
Can’t ignore these kids though, can we …..View attachment 154152
Obviously I don't condone child labour.... apart from my lazy son!......but quite a small percent in mined with child labour and some of the big names in EV like Tesla don't source cobalt from places using child labour. On top of that nearly all the tech going into the next generation of EV batteries does not use cobalt at all.
 
Similarly, I have never read or seen any studies demonstrating that children don't set fire to themselves by not playing with matches - and yet, common sense dictates that not allowing children to play with matches is a good idea.

Personally, I wouldn't want my kids or grandkids to breath the fumes that come out of the exhaust a Diesel-powered council van (or any other type of ICE vehicle, if I'm honest) - and if I am accused of employing common sense, then I am guilty as charged.
Tynemouth as the name suggests is situated at the mouth of the river Tyne which flows into the North sea. Common sense dictates any airbourne pollution would have little chance of ever entering the lungs of a human thanks to the prevailing winds dispersing it far and wide.

Probably not the case in London i imagine. Studies probably are able to pin point exactly where pollution builds up in the nations capital thanks to the geography and high population density. Still easier i suppose just to blame the diesel engine for all the capitals woes.
 
I will take seriously concerns raised by anyone who also raised them long before voicing their dislike of EVs.... sadly there are not very many who fit this profile.....
My only particular grievance with EV’s is purely the hypocrisy surrounding their so called green credentials, along that is with the politically motivated idea that net zero is in some way even vaguely achievable.
On a personal level I couldn’t give a monkey’s wether you take that picture seriously or not. I do.
 
Tynemouth as the name suggests is situated at the mouth of the river Tyne which flows into the North sea. Common sense dictates any airbourne pollution would have little chance of ever entering the lungs of a human thanks to the prevailing winds dispersing it far and wide.

Probably not the case in London i imagine. Studies probably are able to pin point exactly where pollution builds up in the nations capital thanks to the geography and high population density. Still easier i suppose just to blame the diesel engine for all the capitals woes.


Are we seriously looking at allowing pullouting vehicles to only operate downwind.......?
 
Funny i have never read or seen any studies demonstrating that the children of Tynemouth, North Tyneside are breathing cleaner air because of council EV vans. Please share or is it just some Khan factoid based on nothing more than political spin.
No, but it's a start, and will go a little bit towards cleaner air. That's a fact. 🤔
 
My only particular grievance with EV’s is purely the hypocrisy surrounding their so called green credentials, along that is with the politically motivated idea that net zero is in some way even vaguely achievable.
On a personal level I couldn’t give a monkey’s wether you take that picture seriously or not. I do.

I don't disagree, EVs (and any other form of heavy metal-based personal mobility contraption) can't possibly be green, once you consider the full life cycle. EVs may be green-er than ICE cars over their lifetime, but even so, it is still a choice between two (environmental) evils.

As for the frequently-mentioned cobalt-mining children... more often then not, this point is made disingenuously, while ignoring the far greater harm than wars over oil bring with them.

For example, during the 8 years of the Iraq-Iran war, which was fault over oil fields, and saw over a million(!) people killed, the Iranians were reportedly using children as human mine detectors to clear anti-personal minefields, because they are lighter and (in most cases...) won't activate the mines.

This is of course an extreme example, but then we have the massive amounts of money regularly paid to gulf countries for their oil, money that props-up regimes that regularly feature at the top of the list of any human rights organisation as human rights abusers.

Something to consider when next filling up with petrol or Diesel and being smug about not exploiting children working in cobalt mines in the DRC.
 
Getting slightly back on track . This Australian Viking has an interesting point about EV sales . Follow the money...or lack of it .

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And Geoff is still on the case. Not sure what 'evidence' the shipping company has on one Porsche EV sending Bentleys/Lambos/Porsche to the seabed , along with their ship ,but it must be pretty damming (CCTV/Crew eye witnesses ?) to take VW to court....🤔

Just the beginning of maritime insurers getting nervous ? 🤷‍♂️


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Tynemouth as the name suggests is situated at the mouth of the river Tyne which flows into the North sea. Common sense dictates any airbourne pollution would have little chance of ever entering the lungs of a human thanks to the prevailing winds dispersing it far and wide.

Probably not the case in London i imagine. Studies probably are able to pin point exactly where pollution builds up in the nations capital thanks to the geography and high population density. Still easier i suppose just to blame the diesel engine for all the capitals woes.
You’re not wrong there, I’ve just come in from a walk along the seafront and the Easterly wind will ensure everybody in North Tyneside will be forced to breathe nothing but fresh air today. That is despite the local Council’s “concerns”, who incidentally have two permanent air quality monitors. One by one of the largest sewage works in the country and on3 on the border with Newcastle on the busiest road in the area
 
Speaking of which I read today that there are roughly 300,000 cars over 40 years old still on the road in the UK, plus another 40,000 or so SORNed (DVLA figures released in December). Will be interesting to see how many current EVs are still usable 40+ years from now :)
It’ll also be interesting to see how many of today’s modern cars will not only be classics but also repairable due to ( in the future of course) the lack of old school micro chips
 

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