The EV fact thread

[markjay]

No one has attempted to paint a picture of poverty in the UK featuring starving children or people in rags.

Energy poverty is the current UK reality. Not turning the heating on when cold or not cooking wholesome food because you dread the resulting energy bill has serious health consequences for certain demographics. You would have thought that post pandemic this would be writ large in peoples minds but no.

Understood, but what are you proposing?

- Reduce the minimum wages to make sure that products and services are cheaper to the consumer?

- Redraft the Consumer Right Act 2015, so that businesses have fewer liabilities and can reduce their prices?

- Redraft employment laws, again, to allow business to reduce their costs and their expenditure on insurance?

It's a tough one... the more we are making rules and regulations in order to have a more civilised society, the more expensive life becomes, and the poorer we get.

 

[clk320x]

Over 300 miles, heating on at 20c - not ‘trying’ whatsoever.

Hampshire > Chichester > Dartford and back…

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[Petrol Pete]

Oh dear, yet again you fail to see the point.

It’s nothing to do with net zero but about allowing cars which don’t impact local air quality due to increased speed, to travel faster than those which do….

EVs don’t release NoX…

The point is EV's are not 'green' , never have been and if we allow the Chinese to flood the UK with them
they never will be.

 

[clk320x]

It's not some random YouTube video, as suggested. It was a group test under controlled conditions by an independent and impartial organisation that's been testing cars for a monthly magazine for over 50 years.

Range test: How far can electric cars go in winter?

In cold weather, electric car ranges are significantly shorter than when it's warm. To find out what you can realistically expect, we drove 12 models until they died

www.whatcar.com

Please feel free to post real-world videos supporting a 300 mile motorway range though. I had a quick look and couldn't find any offhand ... the first three I turned up got 204 / 264 / 284 miles at around 70 mph, depending on the ambient temp. The last one also involved running the car till it died by the side of the road, the other two stopped at 2% or so remaining.

When did the member say his journey was 240 miles at a solid 70mph the entire way?

Seems like you’re clutching at straws here.

A full charge will comfortably get well over 240 miles in mixed road conditions as expected in the UK. The below video is pretty much all motorway/A-road and shows over 300 miles.

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In the imaginary world of the EV sceptic Mbclub user where you can sit at a fixed 70mph for 400 miles it will struggle. Especially as a 10 or 15 minute stop would be catastrophic on said journey.

There are reasons not to buy an EV - but the range argument is getting less applicable every day. (Relating to cars, not vans - before it’s mentioned)

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Understood, but what are you proposing?
- Reduce the minimum wages to make sure that products and services are cheaper to the consumer?
- Redraft the Consumer Right Act 2015, so that businesses have fewer liabilities and can reduce their prices?
- Redraft employment laws, again, to allow business to reduce their costs and their expenditure on insurance?
It's a tough one... the more we are making rules and regulations in order to have a more civilised society, the more expensive life becomes, and the poorer we get.

There are many tactical solutions to reduce "absolute poverty in the UK":
- Turn away all illegal immigrants, so that Ukrainian and European immigrants aren't living "below the poverty" line in the UK,
- Turn away legitimate Asian and European immigrants, who are more than happy to be living in the UK without a significant income while the parents don't actually work or only work part-time.
- Reduce the number of women choosing to live as single parents. It's quite the modern fashion.
- End the war in Ukraine to reduce the cost of energy in the UK
- Reduce benefit payments to parents for those on low incomes, so that parents have to find full time, rather than part time work.
- Cut the price of cigarettes by two thirds, so that they return to 2010 price levels. A saving of a tenner a pack.

I would still be living in "absolute poverty" according to this system,

but I'm not a parent of small children.

And I don't go on about living in "Absolute poverty."

Mainly because my parents and grandparents wouldn't be able to begin to imagine how luxurious life is today, compared to the life they knew.

 

[ALFAitalia]

The point is EV's are not 'green' , never have been and if we allow the Chinese to flood the UK with them
they never will be.

What utter rubbish.....I could list several reasons why that's not the case..... but I'm sure you could figure out out yourself with a few minutes thought. I can.... and I would never drive an EV.

 

[markjay]

..- Cut the price of cigarettes by two thirds, so that they return to 2010 price levels. A saving of a tenner a pack....

That's a great hack for solving both the NHS finance crisis and the state pension crisis - two birds with one stone. Genius!

 

[clk320x]

The point is EV's are not 'green' , never have been and if we allow the Chinese to flood the UK with them
they never will be.

Posted from your Chinese built battery powered device no doubt? Ah the irony.

 

[BTB 500]

A full charge will comfortably get well over 240 miles in mixed road conditions as expected in the UK. The below video is pretty much all motorway/A-road and shows over 300 miles.

OK so the very latest 2024 version will apparently do it - thanks for the info.

 

[baxlin]

OP is driving from Milton Keynes to Nottingham, there’s literally hundreds of rapids en-route. Just Tesla have Newport Pagnell, Northampton, Leicester Fosse Park, 2x sites in Nottingham etc. Plenty of 3rd party ones also.

I have been doing the trip from home to Nottm via MK for over 40 years, fairly regularly (even more often now my MIL is older and widowed), without stopping, because I don’t need to. It doesn’t matter how many petrol stations there are on the way, The fact is I don’t need them.

Hence my initial comment that I didn’t see many EVs on the M1. Imo, EVs have their place, of course, as I said previously. To me, this is as town cars, where the pollution is greatest. I just don’t think they are ‘one size fits all’.

And as I’m not in Scotland, see my sig below.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Posted from your Chinese built battery powered device no doubt? Ah the irony.

It's not irony really , we are all fully aware that we have too gone far down the Chinese rabbit hole and need to begin to disconnect from relying on their cheap imports. How ? no one knows how yet , but at least they are talking about it.
You don't have to look far to see both the EU and USA are trying to do that , very much targeting the dumping of sub standard EV's from China into their markets.

While in the UK our government is looking to use tax payers money to subsidise a CCCP EV battery factory here in the UK.

By the way the Chinese economy is in ruins.

 

[Petrol Pete]

What utter rubbish.....I could list several reasons why that's not the case..... but I'm sure you could figure out out yourself with a few minutes thought. I can.... and I would never drive an EV.

You think EV cars are green Alfa ?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

It's not irony really , we are all fully aware that we have too gone far down the Chinese rabbit hole and need to begin to disconnect from relying on their cheap imports. How ? no one knows how yet , but at least they are talking about it.
You don't have to look far to see both the EU and USA are trying to do that , very much targeting the dumping of sub standard EV's from China into their markets.

While in the UK our government is looking to use tax payers money to subsidise a CCCP EV battery factory here in the UK.

By the way the Chinese economy is in ruins.

Is this a joke?

An overdue April fool?

So, how are you intending to build a British smartphone, tablet, laptop and router?

How much are you paying for British furniture and clothing? How has your family reacted to your instruction to buy only furniture built in High Wycombe and only proper shoes built in Northampton?

We’re all buying from China because it’s cheaper and far better made than anything Europ and North America can build.

Are you really going to keep buying handmade Morgans when the Chinese product is so much cheaper, more reliable and better made?

 

[markjay]

You think EV cars are green Alfa ?

No, but the Alfa Green Cloverleaf is cool

 

[markjay]

....Are you really going to keep buying handmade Morgans when the Chinese product is so much cheaper, more reliable and better made?

Morgans will undoubtedly have some of their bits made in China... the electric and electronic parts, almost certainly.

 

[clk320x]

OK so the very latest 2024 version will apparently do it - thanks for the info.

No worries.

Things are only getting better.

 

[clk320x]

I have been doing the trip from home to Nottm via MK for over 40 years, fairly regularly (even more often now my MIL is older and widowed), without stopping, because I don’t need to. It doesn’t matter how many petrol stations there are on the way, The fact is I don’t need them.

Hence my initial comment that I didn’t see many EVs on the M1. Imo, EVs have their place, of course, as I said previously. To me, this is as town cars, where the pollution is greatest. I just don’t think they are ‘one size fits all’.

And as I’m not in Scotland, see my sig below.

You wouldn’t need to stop in an EV either. As long as you bought the right model.

There’s plenty of EVs pounding the UK motorways racking up high mileage. I’m not sure the ‘town pollution’ argument works very well down south where motorways run adjacent/very close to housing and highly populated areas.

 

[clk320x]

Is this a joke?

An overdue April fool?

So, how are you intending to build a British smartphone, tablet, laptop and router?

How much are you paying for British furniture and clothing? How has your family reacted to your instruction to buy only furniture built in High Wycombe and only proper shoes built in Northampton?

We’re all buying from China because it’s cheaper and far better made than anything Europ and North America can build.

Are you really going to keep buying handmade Morgans when the Chinese product is so much cheaper, more reliable and better made?

I love reading your posts. Thank you for saying it how it is.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Morgans will undoubtedly have some of their bits made in China... the electric and electronic parts, almost certainly.

Tis true, although often via European component suppliers. And don’t ask where the components in their manufacturing equipment is made.

But this “iconic British” firm (owned by an Italian Private Equity firm) is still rolling chassis downhill in the traditional British way.

(Before it sells more than two thirds of its output to Johnny Foreigner)

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I love reading your posts. Thank you for saying it how it is.

I am married….