The EV fact thread

[philnewmerc]

Going uphill in a round trip actually extends your range.

The car's battery gets charged on the way back due to regeneration.

Obviously there's a net energy loss, but overall the range is longer than when driving on a plane. This is mainly because there's little regeneration when driving at a constant speed on the motorway.

That's my experience with the IONIQ 5, anyway.

Just from a physics pov this makes no sense. As you say the regen energy gained going down a hill will be less than the extra expended energy going up it. Hence it cannot extend the range over (as a comparison) a flat road with the same average speed. I think people think this because they're not comparing like with like (slow hill road vs fast motorway). However, if there's no alternative but to go over a hill then regen is clearly desirable compared to a ice with none. Regen in town where you have no alternative but to brake is obviously more efficient than losing kinetic energy as heat energy in the brakes. EVs make complete sense in town vs ice, but not as much as buses, taxis, trams, tube, cycling and walking.

 

[philnewmerc]

Over 300 miles, heating on at 20c - not ‘trying’ whatsoever.

Hampshire > Chichester > Dartford and back…

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He's a reasonable reviewer, but he drives *very* slow so I'm not surprised at the range he gets. But for people not in a hurry it's a good indicator. Also, I watched one review where he starts beeping at a driver who's struggling to park in a car park. I dislike that kind of aggressive behaviour.... especially when the next thing you see is him going at 65 on the motorway with all the other EVs.

Boom

(Love this thread lol)

 

[clk320x]

He's a reasonable reviewer, but he drives *very* slow so I'm not surprised at the range he gets. But for people not in a hurry it's a good indicator. Also, I watched one review where he starts beeping at a driver who's struggling to park in a car park. I dislike that kind of aggressive behaviour.... especially when the next thing you see is him going at 65 on the motorway with all the other EVs.

Boom

(Love this thread lol)

 

[GrahamT]

EV drivers are becoming the new motorway menace.
Seeing increasing numbers plodding along being over taken by HGV’s or just hogging lanes and holding everyone up ( with steamed up window because the heaters burn electricity )

 

[clk320x]

EV drivers are becoming the new motorway menace.
Seeing increasing numbers plodding along being over taken by HGV’s or just hogging lanes and holding everyone up ( with steamed up window because the heaters burn electricity )

Blimey, one minute people barely see any EVs, the other they see loads apparently doing sub 50mph with no heating.

The fantasies continue.

I don’t know a single EV driver who drives at 50mph with no heating. Clearly some are in fantasy land.

Your profile says you live in Norfolk, are there many motorways there?

 

[Deleted member 55947]

With all this bitching going on are EV drivers the new Vegans?
How can you tell someone has an EV………….They tell you

 

[markjay]

Just from a physics pov this makes no sense. As you say the regen energy gained going down a hill will be less than the extra expended energy going up it. Hence it cannot extend the range over (as a comparison) a flat road with the same average speed. I think people think this because they're not comparing like with like (slow hill road vs fast motorway). However, if there's no alternative but to go over a hill then regen is clearly desirable compared to a ice with none. Regen in town where you have no alternative but to brake is obviously more efficient than losing kinetic energy as heat energy in the brakes. EVs make complete sense in town vs ice, but not as much as buses, taxis, trams, tube, cycling and walking.

This is correct, and my point was that if the OP is going uphill then downhill (at lower speed) then he should have better range than when driving on a level motorway (at high speed).

I.e., the uphill/downhill journey does not mean that the EV range will be adversary impacted (compared to driving on a motorway).

People tend to think that driving uphill is detrimental to EV range, and this is true, but they are forgetting that downhill driving actually charger the battery, and so the overall energy loss in uphill/downhill driving isn't as big as they might think.

But this is of course only true for round trips. Driving to a final destination uphill will indeed cause the range to be reduced considerably (and the flip side is that driving one-way downhill will see the battery ending-up with more charge than it had at the beginning of the journey).

 

[ChipChop]

He's a reasonable reviewer, but he drives *very* slow so I'm not surprised at the range he gets. But for people not in a hurry it's a good indicator. Also, I watched one review where he starts beeping at a driver who's struggling to park in a car park. I dislike that kind of aggressive behaviour.... especially when the next thing you see is him going at 65 on the motorway with all the other EVs.

Boom

(Love this thread lol)

Matey boy appears to be spending a lot of time peering at his giant ipad whilst driving. No wonder there are so many categorised Tesla's at Copart.

 

[clk320x]

With all this bitching going on are EV drivers the new Vegans?
How can you tell someone has an EV………….They tell you

Note this so called ‘fact thread’ was started by someone who doesn’t have an EV, and then when people who own EVs comment it’s dismissed. The ‘bitching’ comes from people who have never eve sat in an EV commenting on stuff they clearly haven’t got a clue about.

 

[markjay]

EV drivers are becoming the new motorway menace.
Seeing increasing numbers plodding along being over taken by HGV’s or just hogging lanes and holding everyone up ( with steamed up window because the heaters burn electricity )

Blimey, one minute people barely see any EVs, the other they see loads apparently doing sub 50mph with no heating.

The fantasies continue.

I don’t know a single EV driver who drives at 50mph with no heating. Clearly some are in fantasy land.

Your profile says you live in Norfolk, are there many motorways there?

Note that he said "Seeing increasing numbers..".

Last week, there was an EV hogging the inside lane on the motorway. This week there were two EVs doing the same.

As they say, "There goes the neighbourhood"....

 

[clk320x]

Matey boy appears to be spending a lot of time peering at his giant ipad whilst driving. No wonder there are so many categorised Tesla's at Copart.

Yeah, it’s not like practically every new car has a big touchscreen, EV or not…

No new car has the same infotainment and controls as your S201 and W210. Its almost as if not many people want to be stuck with a cassette player …

 

[markjay]

Matey boy appears to be spending a lot of time peering at his giant ipad whilst driving. No wonder there are so many categorised Tesla's at Copart.

While I agree that large touchscreens are the curse of modern cars (they add nothing to safety and only cause a distraction), it has now become a trend among many car manufacturer's, both ICE and EVs, and yes I do blame Elon Musk for starting it all by sticking a computer screen sideways into the first Model-S.

 

[baxlin]

With all this bitching going on are EV drivers the new Vegans?
How can you tell someone has an EV………….They tell you

I put this in a slightly more subtle way about 6 pages ago in my original M-way/EV observations post…

But then, do EV sceptics always keep their opinions to themselves?

 

[ChipChop]

Yeah, it’s not like practically every new car has a big touchscreen, EV or not…

No new car has the same infotainment and controls as your S201 and W210. Its almost as if not many people would want that …

My S201? I wish. Mercedes missed a trick not making an estate w201 to compete with the BMW tourings.

 

[markjay]

In the good old days, manufacturers who understood what their customers want, only put in front of the driver what he/she needed to know, no more and no less

The instrument cluster in the centre is only for the amusement of the passengers...

 

[baxlin]

While I agree that large touchscreens are the curse of modern cars (they add nothing to safety and only cause a distraction), it has now become a trend among many car manufacturer's, both ICE and EVs, and yes I do blame Elon Musk for starting it all by sticking a computer screen sideways into the first Model-S.

I had a 2013 C220, and was going for the same when the lease expired in 2015, but seeing the iPad blu-tacked to the dashboard on the then new model changed my mind. A pity really, because I did like the previous one.

 

[clk320x]

I had a 2013 C220, and was going for the same when the lease expired in 2015, but seeing the iPad blu-tacked to the dashboard on the then new model changed my mind. A pity really, because I did like the previous one.

Sounds like you’ll be keeping an older model forever then, the ‘iPad’ isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Bellow]

With all this bitching going on are EV drivers the new Vegans?

Nope. Veganism/vegetarianism is actually good for the planet.

 

[clk320x]

Nope. Veganism/vegetarianism is actually good for the planet.

Nice ‘EV fact’.

 

[SmartAmg]

With all this bitching going on are EV drivers the new Vegans?
How can you tell someone has an EV………….They tell you

Rubbish.