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The EV fact thread

Pardon? Why do you think a Taycan, or a MINI, can't be charged on a Tesla Supercharger?
Because they can’t use the entire network - only certain sites which are less busy have been opened up. None of the sites I regularly use are open to other brands. New supercharger sites at Welcome Breaks are also limited to Tesla only due to the type of deal with Welcome Break (they want people to use their apple green units)…
 
Pardon? Why do you think a Taycan, or a MINI, can't be charged on a Tesla Supercharger?

And what's wrong with the higher speed chargers all over the UK motorway network, in towns and outside supermarkets/



Let's keep to the EV facts in this thread.
‘Other’ brands can’t use all superchargers in the UK. Only certain ‘open sites’ - which are typically the ones at less busy locations with surplus capacity.

Furthermore the chargeport location makes using a lot of the ‘open’ sites extremely inconvenient on the Taycan, often having to block multiple bays horizontally.

New supercharger sites at Welcome Breaks are also limited to Tesla only due to the type of deal with Welcome Break (they want people to use their Applegreen units)…
 
And what's wrong with the higher speed chargers all over the UK motorway network, in towns and outside supermarkets/
I like the integration with the cars routing, knowing how many chargers are free and that they are functioning.

‘Plug n go’ - no hassle.

Tesla superchargers are also typically far cheaper than regular motorway chargers.
 
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Interesting

But my immediate reaction is "let's not over-react to the first poor quarter after sixteen good ones...."

Can't see that any North American or European manufacturer can compete with Asia in the "cheap as chips" space but ... you can't assume a major announcement is about one poor quarter.

This game is full of idiots over-analysing monthly or quarterly numbers.

Folks who've worked with salesmen know that curious background stuff can be going on in the background.
 
The point is EV's are not 'green' , never have been and if we allow the Chinese to flood the UK with them
they never will be.


Elon Musk seems to share part of your view:

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This thread should come with a health warning. First it prompted me to buy a FIAT 500e to see how many of the “facts” are true, and now I have my finger hovering over the button on a Fisker Ocean!

We’ve only had the 500e just over a week too! There’s £14k off the Fisker, they’re a handsome thing, fairly quick, great range, and they’re a little quirky. Oh, and they’re a Fisker. Must use the force.
 
You think EV cars are green Alfa ?
There is no "think" about it. If you count total life... so thats making, using, disposing of EVs Vs ICE cars, the average EV produces about 60% less carbon in its life..... and that will reduce further as more electricity comes from renewables. And carbon and climate change is the main reason the change is being made around the world....cleaner air is just a bonus.
 
This thread should come with a health warning. First it prompted me to buy a FIAT 500e to see how many of the “facts” are true, and now I have my finger hovering over the button on a Fisker Ocean!

We’ve only had the 500e just over a week too! There’s £14k off the Fisker, they’re a handsome thing, fairly quick, great range, and they’re a little quirky. Oh, and they’re a Fisker. Must use the force.
As Fisker are possibly about to go bust and they do not actually manufacture the cars themselves (they are contract manufactured by Magna Steyr in Austria) - then I would be very wary of buying one of these.
Warranty, after sales, spares and residual values will all become really tricky if Fisker indeed do go bust - which is widely predicted.
 
This thread should come with a health warning. First it prompted me to buy a FIAT 500e to see how many of the “facts” are true, and now I have my finger hovering over the button on a Fisker Ocean!
We’ve only had the 500e just over a week too! There’s £14k off the Fisker, they’re a handsome thing, fairly quick, great range, and they’re a little quirky. Oh, and they’re a Fisker. Must use the force.
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny. Consume you, it will.

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This thread should come with a health warning. First it prompted me to buy a FIAT 500e to see how many of the “facts” are true, and now I have my finger hovering over the button on a Fisker Ocean!
We’ve only had the 500e just over a week too! There’s £14k off the Fisker, they’re a handsome thing, fairly quick, great range, and they’re a little quirky. Oh, and they’re a Fisker. Must use the force.
IBM Yoda: "Establish requirement & budget, then find solution."

(A last century philosophy, now out of date.)
 
Is that taking into account the (very likely) shorter lifespan of EVs?

Now, that's an old bugbear of mine, which predates EVs by a few decades.

Tony Blair's scrappage scheme during the financial crisis that followed the infamous 'credit crunch', was sheer lunacy, it encouraged people to scrap perfectly usable cars in order to make room for more new cars to be manufactured, so that car makers and car dealers don't go out of business, or in other words it was a clear case of Economy over Ecology.

Then, as someone who was an avid DIY enthusiast during my younger years, I find it shocking that a car may be scrapped due to relatively trivial faults such as failed head gasket. By the time you worked out the cost of parts and labour plus VAT, the repair becomes uneconomical (unless the car is still reasonably new).

I fully understand that we live in a civilised society, car mechanics needs to be paid fair wages, garages need to adhere to various health and safety as well as environmental regulations, motor factors need to turn a profit, and the government needs money so it taxes every aspect of the distribution chain (VAT, Corporation Tax, Income Tax, NI Contributions, etc).

I also understand that the garage is legally obliged to contribute to workers' workplace pensions, and to set aside money to deal with employment law disputes, as well as pay for mandatory insurance cover (which, again, is taxed by the government), not to mention costs incurred due to abiding by the Consumer Rights Act 2015, and I am not opposed to any of that, but I am dismayed that no one seems to be taking the 360⁰ view and recognise the massive damage that our civilised and regulated Western life style is inflicting on the planet.

The bottom line is that otherwise perfectly serviceable cars are being scrapped due to relatively minor faults.

And don't get me started on flat TVs, computers, mobile phones, white goods... the list is (very) long.

Rant over......
 
As Fisker are possibly about to go bust and they do not actually manufacture the cars themselves (they are contract manufactured by Magna Steyr in Austria) - then I would be very wary of buying one of these.
Warranty, after sales, spares and residual values will all become really tricky if Fisker indeed do go bust - which is widely predicted.
It is indeed a risk but at the right price then it could be a risk worth taking - the biggest rewards often come from the biggest risks.

Being built by Magna Steyr is part of the appeal as is the roller coaster ride of Fisker as a business, it gives the brand a story and a character.

Henrik Fisker reminds me of Gordon Murray but l
less successful and with the mental dial turned up from 0/10 to 33/10 on a quiet day.
 
It is indeed a risk but at the right price then it could be a risk worth taking - the biggest rewards often come from the biggest risks.

Being built by Magna Steyr is part of the appeal as is the roller coaster ride of Fisker as a business, it gives the brand a story and a character.

Henrik Fisker reminds me of Gordon Murray but l
less successful and with the mental dial turned up from 0/10 to 33/10 on a quiet day.

So are you trading-in the GTR.......? ;) :D
 
Is that taking into account the (very likely) shorter lifespan of EVs?
What makes you think that the choice of drivetrain shortens the life of a vehicle?


ICE cars are typically scrapped at 115,000 miles after a life of just 15 years.
 
So are you trading-in the GTR.......? ;) :D
👀 Where the vigorously shakes head emoji? 😁

I do like them though, I have always found the off the wall nature of Fisker different and would pick up a Fisker Tramonto and Karma given the opportunity, and so have a relevant, subtle and dare I say it relatively handsome every day car is a great fit for me.

Pre-launch I was very tempted as I thought it was going to be bigger than it actually is. Had it been GLE size rather than GLC size then it would have been pretty compelling. The blend of cost, performance and features is untouchable in my humble opinion.
 
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Is that taking into account the (very likely) shorter lifespan of EVs?
Most EVs can compete with ICE cars for intergalactic mileage before they get recycled. Early battery life has to be accounted for, as does range. Our current EV does around 170 to a full charge depths of winter nearer 130. More than enough to run errands, do the shop, take the gang out on a Saturday night. We can driveway charge so that’s good. But, I think the 2013-2016 crop of tax free status will appeal to many in a few years time. Good second cars - school run, shopping as above, good pensioner cars etc.

Sure the tech will date, and the battery range degrade, but it’s cheap easy motoring for the masses.
 

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