The EV fact thread

[Steveml63]

Grasscrete solves the drainage problem - and looks pretty good

 

[BTB 500]

Drones? BTW, they use them during times when a draught order was in place, to check for green (as opposed to yellow) lawns, I think.

Possible, but I suspect they are more interested in drives than patios/yards which are much more likely to have proper drainage. Drives typically just slope down to the road.

The link to 'driveways' isn't clear then - where I live, in the nearby streets there are a few properties with a paved-over front garden (Council-owned, BTW) - presumably this will affect these as well? If it only affects driveways, but not any paved-over front gardens i.e. not including those paved-over gardens where there's no vehicle access, then yes, this could be seen as being 'anti-motorists'.

I don't know any more about the detail of what's being proposed than you do

Sure, however there's nothing an EV owner can do about it, i.e. they will have to pay the levy (if there is one) whether they park (and charge) their cars on the driveway, or leave it in the street. In fact, the same is trough to all car owners.

If the property already has a driveway, yes. But if you don't have a drive and buy an EV then creating one (assuming you have space) is the only way you'd be able to home charge. If the scheme goes through then adding a drive would be an extra ongoing cost.

In short, why is this posted in the 'EV Facts' thread...? Not clear.

Because as above EV owners have a specific need to park off road (if they want to charge economically).

What if you have drainage (as we do?) Our paved-over back garden is being drained into the building's rainwater drainage.

As above I suspect this is why the proposal appears to only target driveways (which don't tend to have drainage).

 

[BTB 500]

The Telegraph is really putting the boot in at the moment:

Profits at the German auto giant Mercedes plunged on Friday as sales of its slick new range of electric vehicles (EVs) went into freefall.

Heads should roll over the electric car fiasco

Policymakers have wasted billions chasing a net zero pipe dream. It is time they were held accountable

www.telegraph.co.uk

How the big bet on electric car gigafactories went badly wrong

Battery manufacturing is becoming less of a gold rush and more a race to the bottom

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

VW have been manufacturing and selling cars in China for decades, albeit in joint ventures with local Chinese manufactures as required by Chinese legislation. That probably means they manufacturer all of their volume models in China, with very few low volume models manufactured elsewhere.

Just to put some numbers on that,

VW sold 3,300,000 vehicles in China in 2023, with 90% being manufactured locally, and just 10% imported.

Call it 1 1/2 times the total production numbers of the UK car industry, "if you will."

Not surprisingly, the local manufactured stuff is all VW, Audi, and Škoda, while the imported stuff is mainly Porsche.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The Telegraph is really putting the boot in at the moment:

You do have to laugh when you see children writing headlines like this.

"Going into reverse," meaning a10% drop year on year, but still substantially higher than two years earlier, and twice that of three years earlier.

There's many a sales organisation that would love to be "in reverse" like this. The headline is meaningless until someone dissects profitability, product and sales scheduling shenanigans.

I've not got no sympathy for the unsustainable and nonsensical over-valuation of Tesla, but kicking 400,000 units out of the door in first quarter is not "going into reverse."

To understand the EV industry as a whole, they need to be looking at global production and then drop down into regional numbers. And look at annual numbers, not just first quarter. (There were good reasons for European sales teams to discount in Q4 to massage the annual numbers for 2023.)

 

[BTB 500]

There's many a sales organisation that would love to be "in reverse" like this. The headline is meaningless until someone dissects profitability, product and sales scheduling shenanigans.

Reuters published an article last week which showed how Tesla's revenue per unit sold has dropped (largely as a result of cutting prices). Not the whole picture of course, but interesting nonetheless.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-revenue-sees-surprise-rise-second-quarter-revenue-2024-07-23/

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Reuters published an article last week which showed how Tesla's revenue per unit sold has dropped (largely as a result of cutting prices). Not the whole picture of course, but interesting nonetheless.

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https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-revenue-sees-surprise-rise-second-quarter-revenue-2024-07-23/

Again, average price per unit, and even "profit" per unit, tells us nothing of relevance to a company which owes it's existence to government subsidies, especially in a car industry which traditionally doesn't make money from manufacturing motors, with all the actual profit coming from finance, servicing and parts.

Look at most of the UK Top 10 selling cars, and you'll struggle to find any vehicles which make any money on their sticker price.

And why were all manufacturers of ICE and EV's making record profits in 2022 Because of the Covid19 supply chain issues of 2021, which gave the world's top 16 car makers an average margin of 8.5%, and Tesla an outrageous 25% margin of roughly 50 billion Euros in global sales. Salad days !!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

To understand how the global EV industry is still breaching all it's previous records, look at a global industry tracker

New AutoMotive's Global EV Tracker — New AutoMotive

Get the latest data to stay ahead of the rise of electric cars For the last two years, we’ve been tracking UK car sales. But the transition to electric cars is global. So Electric Car Count is going global. We’ll be tracking key car markets, covering the majority of global car sales, bringing you t

newautomotive.org

And to see if the European EV volumes have "gone into reverse," look at a subset like this.

And bear in mind that a lot of companies, like Jaguar, have stopped producing anything at all as they build new EV production capacity to come on stream within the next few years.

Then ask yourself what our greenwashed taxation our Governments are about to throw at petrol and diesel sales to raise a few, much needed, billions. (In the UK's case, it's £4 billion that's being rumoured

Rachel Reeves' options to fix £20bn blackhole - from tax hikes to more HS2 cuts

Chancellor to set out plan to balance the books, as Labour claims Tories ‘deliberately covered up’ dire state of public finances

inews.co.uk

 

[SmartAmg]

The Telegraph is really putting the boot in at the moment:

Heads should roll over the electric car fiasco

Policymakers have wasted billions chasing a net zero pipe dream. It is time they were held accountable

www.telegraph.co.uk

How the big bet on electric car gigafactories went badly wrong

Battery manufacturing is becoming less of a gold rush and more a race to the bottom

www.telegraph.co.uk

You do like giving us any negative news on EVs don't you. Most of it cobblers.

 

[Petrol Pete]

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[MikeInWimbledon]

You do like giving us any negative news on EVs don't you. Most of it cobblers.

It's almost as if readers don't realise that the whole point of journalism is to spout cobblers and so generate the clicks which create advertising revenue.

Is Mercedes in trouble after the last five years, as Matthew Lynn, the Telegraph journalist alleges? The share price doesn't seem to think so.

 

[BTB 500]

You do like giving us any negative news on EVs don't you. Most of it cobblers.

It's almost as if readers don't realise that the whole point of journalism is to spout cobblers and so generate the clicks which create advertising revenue.

Some raw facts from the SMMT (the UK motor industry trade body) - no journalism.

2024 new car registrations (to end of June) were up 6.0% against the same period in 2023. The main growth areas are hybrid and plug-in hybrid:

Car Registrations

SMMT is the country’s primary source of data on the motor industry. Click here for the SMMT car registrations data published monthly

www.smmt.co.uk

For light commercials year-to-date registrations were up by 4.5% against 2023. BEV registrations and market share both dropped:

LCV Registrations

SMMT is the country’s primary source of data on the motor industry. Click here for the SMMT Van and Truck registrations data

www.smmt.co.uk

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Some raw facts from the SMMT (the UK motor industry trade body) - no journalism.

2024 new car registrations (to end of June) were up 6.0% against the same period in 2023. The main growth areas are hybrid and plug-in hybrid:

View attachment 159546

Car Registrations

SMMT is the country’s primary source of data on the motor industry. Click here for the SMMT car registrations data published monthly

www.smmt.co.uk

For light commercials year-to-date registrations were up by 4.5% against 2023. BEV registrations and market share both dropped:

View attachment 159547

LCV Registrations

SMMT is the country’s primary source of data on the motor industry. Click here for the SMMT Van and Truck registrations data

www.smmt.co.uk

Excellent! Thanks for providing the data to prove that it’s complete cobblers to suggest that UK EV sales have “gone into reverse.”

With a 9.2% increase year on year, BEV sales are still powering ahead despite the reductions in tax incentives such as the congestion charge changes.

Of course the exciting developments are around the arrival of three and four year old used EV’s on the second user / private market. For anyone who doesn’t have to tow a caravan 400 miles a day without the time for a coffee break, the prospect of a 200+ mile range EV on their driveway for £10 to £15k is a real game changer.

Journalists: such cretins to be suggesting that the European EV market has “gone into reverse.”

What we can see is the EU’s targets for EV sales are beyond the capability of European and North American vendors, but we’ve known that ever since the stupid pontificating bureaucrats announced them, haven’t we?

 

[BTB 500]

With a 9.2% increase year on year, BEV sales are still powering ahead

But of course the whole car market went up by 6%.

Market share is a better indicator, and the BEV sector only increased by 0.5%. That's despite all the marketing/promotion/incentives/price cuts/infrastructure investment/etc. over the last 12 months, and a reduction in the number of new petrol/diesel cars available.

As mentioned BEV van sales are particularly grim, with a 2024 YTD market share of just 4.7% and sales down by 5.1% vs 2023 despite an overall market growth of 4.5%.

 

[poormansporsche]

Someone's desperate for sales .........

 

[SmartAmg]

Someone's desperate for sales .........



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WOW! Absolute bargain for somebody.

 

[BIGDOG]

WOW! Absolute bargain for somebody.

I checked out the broker, the deal appears to exist, cheap PCP too.

 

[SmartAmg]

I checked out the broker, the deal appears to exist, cheap PCP too.

A no brainer for someone, then.

 

[poormansporsche]

Sold out now