The EV fact thread

[ALFAitalia]

This thread is still going... ironically it is the frugal diesel of threads

I read that stupid misleading Times article; there's about one a month. However, a more relevant article would be that electric cars used in the real world have at tops about 2/3 the range advertised (ok fine, so do ICE) and you only really get to use the 20-80% section of the battery once on the go. So that's 2/3*60%= 40% of the range to be within comfortable range anxiety. Given a good range is seen as about 300 miles makes that actually more like a 120 miles range. Queue nasally ev voice: "well that's at least 2 solid hours of driving at the safe motorway limit of 60 mph".

Even with a full 'tank' you only have 20-100% to play with meaning a range of 2/3*80% of 300 = about 150 miles.

But, I have to admit, if you can park on the drive and set off on a full tank for a day's travelling of <150 miles and like doing 60 mph with heating off: EV is perfect and dirt cheap to run (as long as the company is paying for the mega depreciation... and you wear mittens).

I don't know anyone with an EV that gets anything like that low a percentage of the claimed range...more anti EV nonsense.

 

[SmartAmg]

This thread is still going... ironically it is the frugal diesel of threads

I read that stupid misleading Times article; there's about one a month. However, a more relevant article would be that electric cars used in the real world have at tops about 2/3 the range advertised (ok fine, so do ICE) and you only really get to use the 20-80% section of the battery once on the go. So that's 2/3*60%= 40% of the range to be within comfortable range anxiety. Given a good range is seen as about 300 miles makes that actually more like a 120 miles range. Queue nasally ev voice: "well that's at least 2 solid hours of driving at the safe motorway limit of 60 mph".

Even with a full 'tank' you only have 20-100% to play with meaning a range of 2/3*80% of 300 = about 150 miles.

But, I have to admit, if you can park on the drive and set off on a full tank for a day's travelling of <150 miles and like doing 60 mph with heating off: EV is perfect and dirt cheap to run (as long as the company is paying for the mega depreciation... and you wear mittens).

Yep, your right, it's still going and still mostly, utter Bollox. As in the post above.

 

[clk320x]

you can park on the drive and set off on a full tank for a day's travelling of <150 miles and like doing 60 mph with heating off: EV is perfect and dirt cheap to run (as long as the company is paying for the mega depreciation... and you wear mittens).

Lol - did my 120 mile run to London today and got more than enough to get back. Steering wheel, seat heater and climate on 20c auto - best part is it costs me a few quid in a 700bhp car…

 

[markjay]

Lol - did my 120 mile run to London today and got more than enough to get back. Steering wheel, seat heater and climate on 20c auto - best part is it costs me a few quid in a 700bhp car…

What? Not going 60 in the inside lane in the slipstream of a lorry, while wearing a heavy coat, woolly hat, and gloves?

 

[ToeKnee]

For comparison only, just done the fuel calculations on my Mondeo 2.0 diesel taxi.
Over two years, nearly 70 000 miles the average price per mile for fuel was 13.1p

 

[grober]

Electric vehicle targets 'will not be weakened' despite pressure

Transport Secretary Louise Haigh says the rules will remain, but car firms warn they are too strict.

www.bbc.co.uk

Still waiting for a European manufacturer to produce the " Model T" equivalent EV ! Its only with volume that mass produced items get cheaper to make

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Junior D took the Fiat 500e to work this morning. Heating on full due to the snow and cold snap, and she said the car had done 3.7 mi/kWh over 20 miles, driving completely normally - without consideration for consumption.

That equates to 70 miles range from 100% to 10%, and based upon a full charge is around 80% of the published range. I cannot imagine any ICE I have managing more than 80% of its published range on the same drive.

 

[Bellow]

Electric vehicle targets 'will not be weakened' despite pressure

Transport Secretary Louise Haigh says the rules will remain, but car firms warn they are too strict.

www.bbc.co.uk

Still waiting for a European manufacturer to produce the " Model T" equivalent EV ! Its only with volume that mass produced items get cheaper to make

Won't the easiest way to avoid the £15k penalty be to restrict sales of the cheapest ICE cars?

 

[markjay]

Won't the easiest way to avoid the £15k penalty be to restrict sales of the cheapest ICE cars?

This will be like in the good old Soviet Union... when a second hand car cost more than a new one, because you couldn't get a new one.....

 

[clk320x]

I don't know anyone with an EV that gets anything like that low a percentage of the claimed range...more anti EV nonsense.

These comments tend to come from people who’ve never driven let alone owned an EV.

 

[GrahamT]

I don't know anyone with an EV that gets anything like that low a percentage of the claimed range...more anti EV nonsense.

I don't know anyone with an EV

 

[markjay]

I don't know anyone with an EV

It's OK, no one admits to it.......

 

[philnewmerc]

I don't know anyone with an EV that gets anything like that low a percentage of the claimed range...more anti EV nonsense.

Don't shoot the messenger.

When people say they get close the the advertised range they usually mean the car is telling them they had x miles range and they think oooh that's close to the advertised range, but they usually don't actually drive that range before charging to see if its true: The ones that do will tell you about 2/3 to 4/5 of advertised range is about right depending of if in winter or summer. Its not a criticism, its the same for ICE cars, but EV evangelists just seem to forget it for their cars and become feverish at the thought.

I suppose the equivalent is ICE terms is the fact that on this forum most people quote their on board mpg readout, which is usually far above reality and they never do a brim to brim to check because their 58 mpg car suddenly becomes a 42 mpg one and much sadness ensues .

 

[markjay]

Don't shoot the messenger.

When people say they get close the the advertised range they usually mean the car is telling them they had x miles range and they think oooh that's close to the advertised range, but they usually don't actually drive that range before charging to see if its true: The ones that do will tell you about 2/3 to 4/5 of advertised range is about right depending of if in winter or summer. Its not a criticism, its the same for ICE cars, but EV evangelists just seem to forget it for their cars and become feverish at the thought.

I suppose the equivalent is ICE terms is the fact that on this forum most people quote their on board mpg readout, which is usually far above reality and they never do a brim to brim to check because their 58 mpg car suddenly becomes a 42 mpg one and much sadness ensues .

Of course it's inaccurate.

And yes, I could run the EV equivalent of a 'brim-to-brim' test, but I have more exciting things to do with my life.... like watching paint dry

 

[philnewmerc]

Lol - did my 120 mile run to London today and got more than enough to get back. Steering wheel, seat heater and climate on 20c auto - best part is it costs me a few quid in a 700bhp car…

It's OK, just because I mention EV drawbacks I'm not saying you're wrong or that you actually wear mittens (that tends to be MG/ID3/4 owners ).

 

[philnewmerc]

Junior D took the Fiat 500e to work this morning. Heating on full due to the snow and cold snap, and she said the car had done 3.7 mi/kWh over 20 miles, driving completely normally - without consideration for consumption.

That equates to 70 miles range from 100% to 10%, and based upon a full charge is around 80% of the published range. I cannot imagine any ICE I have managing more than 80% of its published range on the same drive.

Sounds great. Very nice car, cheap as chips (literally cheaper i suppose) to run, perfectly acceptable range for the task.
But in fairly mild weather it has 4/5 of the advertised range, based on the consumption the on board computer is saying, which we assume is accurate...

 

[Dryce]

This will be like in the good old Soviet Union... when a second hand car cost more than a new one, because you couldn't get a new one.....

Didn't we just have a similar experience for a while after Covid?

 

[ALFAitalia]

I suppose the equivalent is ICE terms is the fact that on this forum most people quote their on board mpg readout, which is usually far above reality and they never do a brim to brim to check because their 58 mpg car suddenly becomes a 42 mpg one and much sadness ensues .

In my experience that's not been the case in recent years...most of the cars I've had in the last couple of decades have been pretty darn accurate on the mpg display.... usually within a mile or two per gallon either way when compared to the brim to brim measurement. Dervs tending to be slightly more accurate.

 

[Connoisseur]

All car manufacturers produce consumption figures, all of which bear no relation to actual figures achieved. ICE or ev, car makers lie, then individual owners lie, to prove how good they/their pride and joy really are lol

It’s only a game, but as above for most it’s worse than watching paint dry, and most prefer to enjoy their driving.

We now have two ev and one ICE. All three get us from A to B in different and enjoyable ways. Mind you in this weather I prefer the ev. Warmed up and defrosted while I’m still in bed and fully charged too

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

But in fairly mild weather it has 4/5 of the advertised range, based on the consumption the on board computer is saying, which we assume is accurate...

The mist similar ICE car we have is a Skart ForFour 1.0, and being an ICE range is not published (advertised) but can be calculated from the fuel consumption and fuel tank capacity, both of which are published.

A quick very Google suggests that the official figures for the Smart are 68.9 MPG and 35 litres, so a range of 530 miles. I love that car but it’s not capable of 424 mile (80% of published) range on the same trip.

We don’t think of ICE cars that way though, so letMs say 80% of published consumption, which is 55 MPG, and again the car is nowhere near capable of that on the same journey m, at -1 deg C in the snow.

Not achieving published consumption/range figures is a car thing, not an EV thing. Partly because people don’t drive like they are in the test and partly because no journey is like the journey in the test.

EV rangeis definitely affected by cold weather, and it’s often pointed out, but who can say that an ICE isn’t? They are, especially on shorter trips, and most people cover short distances most of the time, especially in winter!