The EV fact thread

[markjay]

The subscription May entitle you to the update , but if your hardware or OS are no longer supported , you can’t download it . If you then cancel your subscription your outdated software then stops working .

And a hundred years ago it was much easier to get a bale of hay for your horse.... I don't disagree with your analysis, only with your conclusion.

Of course, systems become obsolete over time, due to lack of demand and lack of commercial viability.

But I disagree with the term planned (or built-in) obsolescence. Things last for as long as there's consumer demand for them.

Workhorses didn't have built-in obsolescence, we used them until such time that there was no more demand for them.

 

[SmartAmg]

Probably designed by someone in a warm climate

A bit selfish.

 

[Pontoneer]

But how do you know where the fuel in the pump is coming from?

I don’t care as much as I care about what it is costing me

 

[Pontoneer]

Tesco's?

Here in Scotland almost every petrol station gets its raw fuel from Grangemouth , the tankers are filled from the same pumps , then the tanker drivers add the additive packs for whichever brand they are delivering.

It is all basically the same fuel

 

[SmartAmg]

Here in Scotland almost every petrol station gets its raw fuel from Grangemouth , the tankers are filled from the same pumps , then the tanker drivers add the additive packs for whichever brand they are delivering.

It is all basically the same fuel

Agreed, but that's probably from Saudi Arabia? But who cares? When I had me ICE car, I didn't give a sh1t where it came from, even China (god forbid) , I went for the cheapest. Simple's.

 

[Pontoneer]

No offence but 99% of people don’t want the hassle/bother of running an old classic.

The safety & convenience of a modern car can never be matched by a classic.

Of course enthusiasts such as ourselves love them, and would gladly own one as a 2nd, 3rd or 4th vehicle, but the number of people who would want to drive a classic daily is minuscule.

In the nicest way possible, I’m trying to give you a reality check here.

I think modern cars with so many things that DO go wrong are all the hassle/bother . It is always moderns I see broken down at the roadside .

I’d rather be in a slightly older Mercedes-Benz than some pacific rim junk that will fold up in a crash , and I go to crashes as part of my job .

A great many guys in the Fire Service favour Mercedes , Volvo , BMW etc for very obvious reasons .

 

[Pontoneer]

Agreed, but that's probably from Saudi Arabia? But who cares? When I had me ICE car, I didn't give a sh1t where it came from, even China (god forbid) , I went for the cheapest. Simple's.

A lot of Grangemouth is supplied with crude down the pipeline from Aberdeen , but there is a tanker terminal just opposite Dalgety Bay , I think it can be used either for import or export

 

[Pontoneer]

And a hundred years ago it was much easier to get a bale of hay for your horse.... I don't disagree with your analysis, only with your conclusion.

Of course, systems become obsolete over time, due to lack of demand and lack of commercial viability.

But I disagree with the term planned (or built-in) obsolescence. Things last for as long as there's consumer demand for them.

Workhorses didn't have built-in obsolescence, we used them until such time that there was no more demand for them.

That term was invented by the American motor industry

 

[Mactech]

I have to say I rather enjoyed my 24 mile round trip to the city (Norfolk has just one!) this morning in the i3 after a week in the Bentley.
The Bentley came into it's own with 130 mile trips to and from Christmas with 3 adults, 2 dogs and all that Christmas entails. Despite a spot of slowth on the M25, I can think of very few better ways to travel.
The lightweight of the EV (did I just say that?) was a delight on the country roads into the city and a doddle to park once there. No waiting for the engine to warm to get heat in the cabin and we were electrically toasty within a mile. It does feel like a sportscar after the 'very fast lorry' of the Bentley.....
I know I'm going to have to put another 80p of overnight charge into it before the year is out, but hey-ho, I'll cope with the expense

Horses of courses and all that, but currently I'm very pleased with the two horses in my little stable block.

I get the distinct feeling that Mr B Dazzler of this forum is forming a similar opinion..........even if his stable block is just a little larger and more MB.

 

[Pontoneer]

And a hundred years ago it was much easier to get a bale of hay for your horse.... I don't disagree with your analysis, only with your conclusion.

Of course, systems become obsolete over time, due to lack of demand and lack of commercial viability.

But I disagree with the term planned (or built-in) obsolescence. Things last for as long as there's consumer demand for them.

Workhorses didn't have built-in obsolescence, we used them until such time that there was no more demand for them.

I didn’t draw any conclusion , just stated my experience and of others who have related the same to me

 

[clk320x]

I’d rather be in a slightly older Mercedes-Benz than some pacific rim junk that will fold up in a crash , and I go to crashes as part of my job .

A great many guys in the Fire Service favour Mercedes , Volvo , BMW etc for very obvious reasons .

So are you saying an old Mercedes is safer in a collision than a brand new one?

 

[Pontoneer]

So are you saying an old Mercedes is safer in a collision than a brand new one?

Possibly not than a new Mercedes , but I’d rather be in it than some lightweight thing from the Far East

 

[BIGDOG]

Possibly not than a new Mercedes , but I’d rather be in it than some lightweight thing from the Far East

There are plenty of rusty old 20-30 year old MBs that would fold like Origami in a shunt.

 

[Pontoneer]

So are you saying an old Mercedes is safer in a collision than a brand new

Duplicate post

 

[Pontoneer]

There are plenty of rusty old 20-30 year old MBs that would fold like Origami in a shunt.

And plenty that won’t , none that should be on the road

 

[BTB 500]

No waiting for the engine to warm to get heat in the cabin and we were electrically toasty within a mile.

The HVAC in many modern ICE cars contains electric heating. Even our 2007 Vito van has that - there's heat (e.g. for demisting/defrosting) pretty much as soon as the engine is running.

 

[Dryce]

It sounds like I'm going to have to move back to Scotland. It takes the best part of 3 hours for me to do the 108 miles to the office thanks to the stupid M25 and M4.

There was a lot of fuss about dualling the A9 between Perth and Inverness. It's not a slow road compared with English equivalents. But it's a major political issue because of the Holyrood and Scottish media perceptions of it.

 

[Dryce]

In all seriousness having a 'city car' for the last 6 weeks has been a bit of an eye opener and we've been using it for all our local errands - even fetching sacks of feed from the local country store! It's done several much longer runs (100+ miles) as well, and despite being small and relatively basic compared to our MBs it's fun to drive, decently refined, and quite nippy. We've carried 4 adults in it a number of times with no problem at all - it is only a 4 seater, so there's plenty of room in the back (it also has 4 doors which is very convenient).

I think the 'city car' solution has been screaming out for years as a practical solution. But is ignored by many (of us).

We would have one but SWMBO insists on having a 2 seater convertible - which messes up our car choices for both cars.

 

[markjay]

Possibly not than a new Mercedes , but I’d rather be in it than some lightweight thing from the Far East

You're thinking passive safety. That very old school.

With a new 'lightweight thing from the Far East' you're less likely to crash in the first place, thanks to a plethora of mandatory and optional active safety systems and driver aids. Not to mention that if do end up in a ditch, you won't have to wait days to be found, thanks to the SOS system. Etc etc.

 

[markjay]

Also in the news....:

Classic cars could face MoTs as public backs safety checks

Under current rules, vehicles registered more than 40 years ago no longer needs to undergo annual road worthiness check-ups as the general consensus is they are owned by enthusiasts.

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