The EV fact thread

[Steveml63]

That's how Nissan 'e-POWER' cars like the X-Trail and Qashqai work ("series hybrid" configuration). But any hybrid would give the same benefit of extended range, being able to run continuously on ICE power if necessary.

Except in a REEV - the engine does not drive the wheels.
You can use the car and never start the engine - if you don’t want to.
But it would be nice to have a tank of fuel and an engine/generator onboard in case you ever run out of electricity!
This is not a logical answer to the range problem of EVs - but it works for people who say they would not buy an EV due to range anxiety.
If there was a low cost charger on every street corner that was always available for people to use and the car fully charged in 5 minutes from flat - then range anxiety would not exist!
Logic says that it would be stupid to carry around the extra weight & complexity of an engine, generator & fuel tank - when you might only use it occasionally

 

[markjay]

These pretend tourists are avoiding import tax. Plain and simple. HMRC's penalty clock is ticking every day after the vehicles 14th day on UK soil.

6 months. It's called Temporary Import. A relative of mine has done that a few years ago. See also:

Importing vehicles into the UK

Steps you must follow when importing vehicles into the UK, including making an import declaration, paying VAT and duty and telling HMRC using the NOVA service.

www.gov.uk

"Temporary imports
You can usually use a vehicle with foreign number plates without registering or taxing it in the UK if all of the following apply:

you’re visiting and do not plan to live here
the vehicle is registered and taxed in its home country
you only use the vehicle for up to 6 months in total - this can be a single visit, or several shorter visits over 12 months
You will need to register your vehicle if you want to move it between Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) and Northern Ireland.

If you become a resident or stay for longer than 6 months you must register and tax your vehicle in the UK – follow the steps for importing a vehicle.

If you bring a vehicle to England, Scotland or Wales
You do not pay VAT or customs duty on a vehicle if you temporarily import it and all of the following apply:

it’s for your own private use
you’re not a UK resident
you do not sell, lend or hire it within the UK
you re-export it from the UK within 6 months - or longer if you’re eligible to use foreign number plates for longer
Claim relief by filling in form C110 and taking your vehicle through the ‘nothing to declare’ channel when you arrive in the UK.

Using foreign number plates for longer than 6 months
You might be able to use a vehicle with foreign number plates for longer than 6 months if both of the following apply:

you normally live outside the UK
you’re in the UK for a set period as a student or worker
If you stay after your customs relief expires you must register and tax your vehicle in the UK – follow the steps for importing a vehicle."

 

[DaveE320CDI]

I doubt he has one, or has ever driven an EV - typical shit stirrer unfortunately.

Been driving electric fork lift trucks for last 20yrs

 

[markjay]

They probably don't, but equally they may not be expecting to get only half that range under some conditions (because no car they've owned before has ever done that)....

You'd think people would know that by now? Given how vocal the press has been about it, for a number of years now - let alone social media, the bloke down the pub, etc.?

 

[ALFAitalia]

A Tesla Cybertruck is also classed as an HGV .........

Is it?....and why? Its light enough to be driven on a normal car license. The normal car license weight limit on an EV (or any alternative fuel vehicle come to that) is higher than on an ice car don't forget. 4250kg against 3500kg.

 

[Will]

Google says I could drive 345 miles from Derby to Dundee in 6 hours 8 minutes. That would be quite an exceptional journey for most people in the UK.

I couldn’t imagine driving 6 hours without stopping to refuel the car, never mind take a break, eat, take on fluids and release fluids

Even driving back from the South of France to the UK in the middle of the night, I don't think I ever managed a 6 hour stint without stopping.

I think I’d be more concerned about comfortable seats than range on a vehicle if driving for 6 hours solid, regardless of stopping!

Is this some kind of Guinness world record bladder holding attempt or something?

What’s the obsession with ‘not stopping’ like it’s some kind of achievement or personal goal?

I’d say, personally speaking, absolute max of 3 hours or 200 miles would be where I’d want to stretch my legs and refresh, and I don’t think this puts me in a minority. But I guess we’re all different

 

[ChipChop]

6 months. It's called Temporary Import. A relative of mine has done that a few years ago. See also:

Importing vehicles into the UK

Steps you must follow when importing vehicles into the UK, including making an import declaration, paying VAT and duty and telling HMRC using the NOVA service.

www.gov.uk

"Temporary imports
You can usually use a vehicle with foreign number plates without registering or taxing it in the UK if all of the following apply:

you’re visiting and do not plan to live here
the vehicle is registered and taxed in its home country
you only use the vehicle for up to 6 months in total - this can be a single visit, or several shorter visits over 12 months
You will need to register your vehicle if you want to move it between Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales) and Northern Ireland.

If you become a resident or stay for longer than 6 months you must register and tax your vehicle in the UK – follow the steps for importing a vehicle.

If you bring a vehicle to England, Scotland or Wales
You do not pay VAT or customs duty on a vehicle if you temporarily import it and all of the following apply:

it’s for your own private use
you’re not a UK resident
you do not sell, lend or hire it within the UK
you re-export it from the UK within 6 months - or longer if you’re eligible to use foreign number plates for longer
Claim relief by filling in form C110 and taking your vehicle through the ‘nothing to declare’ channel when you arrive in the UK.

Using foreign number plates for longer than 6 months
You might be able to use a vehicle with foreign number plates for longer than 6 months if both of the following apply:

you normally live outside the UK
you’re in the UK for a set period as a student or worker
If you stay after your customs relief expires you must register and tax your vehicle in the UK – follow the steps for importing a vehicle."

You have just detailed the rules for a non UK resident or tourist visiting the UK for up to 6 months. No import tax liability there agreed. A UK resident such as the Manchester Cybertruck driver is potentially liable for import tax though and would be required to complete a NOVA declaration within 14 days for HMRC to assess. Is the influencer Yianni a UK resident? Potentially a big tax bill if he owns 3 un-NOVA'd Cybertrucks.

 

[SmartAmg]

What’s the obsession with ‘not stopping’ like it’s some kind of achievement or personal goal?

There never really has been an obsession with not stopping, it's just something most people do. That is until EVs have become a lot more popular. Now suddenly there is an obsession. Mostly by ICE driver's to be fair.

 

[SpikyMikey]

I think I’d be more concerned about comfortable seats than range on a vehicle if driving for 6 hours solid, regardless of stopping!

Is this some kind of Guinness world record bladder holding attempt or something?

What’s the obsession with ‘not stopping’ like it’s some kind of achievement or personal goal?

I’d say, personally speaking, absolute max of 3 hours or 200 miles would be where I’d want to stretch my legs and refresh, and I don’t think this puts me in a minority. But I guess we’re all different

When I was driving for a living and doing my crazy 'specials' runs (like Gatwick Airport to Dounreay and back), my self-imposed limit was also 3 hour stints before a break.

 

[ChipChop]

Is it?....and why? Its light enough to be driven on a normal car license. The normal car license weight limit on an EV (or any alternative fuel vehicle come to that) is higher than on an ice car don't forget. 4250kg against 3500kg.

The 4.25t gross vehicle weight derogation allows drivers who hold a category B (passenger car) driver licence to drive an alternative fuel vehicle up to 4.25t if they are transporting goods, undertake compulsory training, and are not towing a trailer.

 

[markjay]

You have just detailed the rules for a non UK resident or tourist visiting the UK for up to 6 months. No import tax liability there agreed. A UK resident such as the Manchester Cybertruck driver is potentially liable for import tax though and would be required to complete a NOVA declaration within 14 days for HMRC to assess. Is the influencer Yianni a UK resident? Potentially a big tax bill if he owns 3 un-NOVA'd Cybertrucks.

Only if the driver is uninformed enough to admit to the authorities that it's 'his' car...

 

[markjay]

When I was driving for a living and doing my crazy 'specials' runs (like Gatwick Airport to Dounreay and back), my self-imposed limit was also 3 hour stints before a break.

Man up!

 

[SpikyMikey]

Man up!

I know, I'm a wimp. But for those who don't know, Dounreay is a blooming long way...from most places.

 

[SpikyMikey]

Now this is my sort of EV
Electric Mini – Electric Mini

 

[ALFAitalia]

In All-Wheel Drive form the Cybertruck weighs 2,995kg but with the additional motor of the Cyberbeast, weight increases to 3,103kg....still under 3.5t accoding to google at least.

 

[Bellow]

Hell of a fuss about the Cybertruck when it is no heavier than the vehicles that deliver our essentials and fripperies.

 

[ALFAitalia]

I think its more the razer sharp edges and lack of pedestrian protection is more the issue than the weight.

Imagine the damage this could do....

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[markjay]

I think its more the razer sharp edges and lack of pedestrian protection is more the issue than the weight.

And yet it's not illegal in the UK to fit bull bars to pick-up trucks....

 

[ALFAitalia]

But you cant have sharp edges and bars etc have to be a minimum thickness and rounded. Lots of insurance companies wont cover cars with bullbars now anyway....cant remember the last time I saw one.

 

[clk320x]

These pretend tourists are avoiding import tax. Plain and simple. HMRC's penalty clock is ticking every day after the vehicles 14th day on UK soil.

People with hundreds of thousands of pounds spare are not stupid though, likely ‘on paper’ the vehicles are owned by a foreign entity. They know what they are doing.