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This is fair enough Mike, but important to mention motorway HADECs are managed by Highways England and all are live?
Just use your eyes.

What's the administration of a HADEC got to do with whether motorists are being prosecuted?

Speed technology exists. Small numbers are prosecuted.

Looking out of our windscreens we can see enormous numbers are routinely ignoring the limits every day of the week - where weight of traffic allows.
 
Just use your eyes.

What's the administration of a HADEC got to do with whether motorists are being prosecuted?

Speed technology exists. Small numbers are prosecuted.

Looking out of our windscreens we can see enormous numbers are routinely ignoring the limits every day of the week - where weight of traffic allows.
Please drive through a HADEC at a true (GPS) 80mph and let me know how that goes.
 
I drove over the M62 to Yorkshire on Christmas eve. The weather was foul over the top with strong winds and rain. There is a spot at the Scammoden dam which is notorious for cross winds so that's presumably why they had been posting reducing limits 60, 50 and finally 40mph for many miles all the way along the uphill drag. Not a single vehicle slowed to anything close to 40 mph including a very high sided HGV.

The problem is a disconnect between excessively cautious speed limits and disbelieving drivers who have seen it all a hundred times before where overhead signs have displayed what seemed to them a fictious hazard that didn't exist.

I rather think the hazard did exist on this occasion at least for the HGV, but the signs had cried wolf far too often for anyone to take any notice. Not wanting to risk getting squashed for Christmas, the one bit of good sense I did display was to make sure I was passing the tall HGV on it's windward side.
A lot of those speed limits on motorways dont have the red ring around them..(often just 4 yellow lights or nothing at all). No red ring means its purely advisory and cannot be inforced. It seems that only about 10 percent of people know that from the looks I get doing 70 on a clear still day with light traffic......when for some inexplicable reason 40 or 50 mph signs are showing. I'm sure sometimes they just forget to turn them off after an incident has been cleared. I stick religiously to the limits in red rings though.....not had any speeding points since 1989...I'd like to keep it that way!
 
Just use your eyes.

But if you don't get out much, see this press release from October 2023.

Based on data from just 20 Police forces though. And as already mentioned, excluding a large network of modern automated motorway cameras.

Just use your eyes.

Speed technology exists. Small numbers are prosecuted.

In terms of fixed penalties issued, in London alone they were expecting to reach 600,000 this year and are "building the capacity to enforce up to one million offences per year":


Across the whole UK, in the year ending December 2021 (the last national data published, AFAIK) 2.4 million FPNs for speeding were issued (up 19 per cent on the previous year), with 96% of those coming from fixed cameras:


That sounds like pretty active enforcement to me.

As I've already said, my personal suspicion is that the 70 limit on motorways isn't enforced as rigorously (by cameras or patrols) as lower limits there or on other roads. But I could be wrong.
 
Only the stupid get prosecuted as a rule...those who don't see bright yellow traffic cameras, those that ignore the mandatory signs that are everywhere that mobile or fixed cameras are or can be. Or even ignore the warnings on their satnav etc! :)
Before anyone bites I'm not being that serious but lots that do get caught are often not the most observant drivers. A girl at work got nicked twice in the same week by a van in Fishbourne on the way to work...there were signs and you could see it miles away....I never speed there as the cops are too often there. I don't hang about ...in cars or on bikes....no points since I was 22....in 1989.
Obviously now i will get nicked for speeding the next time I drive! :)
 
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Please drive through a HADEC at a true (GPS) 80mph and let me know how that goes.
Just use your eyes.

You wouldn't believe me if I told you I had. You haven't believed me this morning.

Look out your own windscreen next time you're driving anywhere, and then tell us, hand on your heart, that everyone in your part of the world is sticking to the speed limits plus tolerance.

The fastest drivers in the country (Vauxhall vans, commuters, Audi drivers....) are breaking the law for all to see. And the police simply aren't making the prosecutions.
 
That's a fair number, but those are only the serious cases dealt with in court. As above the number of fixed penalties issued for speeding is much higher.
Nope it's an increase in the number of drivers appearing in court in the hope of a roughly 10% chance of being let off, not of court cases.
 
I notice that we have some clever thinking from Gridserve who erect and service EV chargers,it seems they are sending out their engineers in electric vans,so they can be sure that they either mend the broken EV charger or they have to walk home. :D
 
Based on data from just 20 Police forces though. And as already mentioned, excluding a large network of modern automated motorway cameras.
In terms of fixed penalties issued, in London alone they were expecting to reach 600,000 this year and are "building the capacity to enforce up to one million offences per year":
Across the whole UK, in the year ending December 2021 (the last national data published, AFAIK) 2.4 million FPNs for speeding were issued (up 19 per cent on the previous year), with 96% of those coming from fixed cameras:
That ounds like pretty active enforcement to me.
As I've already said, my personal suspicion is that the 70 limit on motorways isn't enforced as rigorously (by cameras or patrols) as lower limits there or on other roads. But I could be wrong.

Once again. Use your eyes.

London's 20mph speed limits aren't being enforced generally. I know: I live there. I can stand on Wimbledon Parkside and watch the cars and motorcycles fly by.

And that's without counting the four police cars that crash on Parkside each year as a result of ill-advised speeding of anywhere between 40-60mph

Once again: the existence of technology does not mean that it's being used.

The issuing rate of one FPN per 117,000 miles driven in the UK, tells us nothing about whether people are speeding in 35 million cars being driven an average of 8,000 miles a year.
 
I notice that we have some clever thinking from Gridserve who erect and service EV chargers,it seems they are sending out their engineers in electric vans,so they can be sure that they either mend the broken EV charger or they have to walk home. :D
Why would Gridserve need to use the charger that they're installing or repairing, when there are unused chargers all over the country?
 
London's 20mph speed limits aren't being enforced generally. I know: I live there. I can stand on Wimbledon Parkside and watch the cars and motorcycles fly by.
I agree with this - most people seem to do way more than 20mph when there’s no camera, but through the speed camera if you’re at a true GPS 26mph it’s likely you’ll get flashed?
 
I'm curious to know why being prosecuted for breaking the law, ie. 'speeding', is an unfair process?
Nothing I said can be construed as alleging prosecution is "unfair."

My point, repeated a dozen times, is that the prosecution is a random process, with the police deliberately not prosecuting, despite the existence of the technology.

I'm more than happy for the police to prosecute and ban anyone doing more than 20 on an urban road, 30 on a road with street lamps and 70mph nationally.

Speeding kills.

Better still publicise the names and photos of everyone involved in a collision, regardless of "guilt." (It takes two)

And charge everyone the actual cost of going to A&E after an RTC, regardless of "guilt."

Heck, why not put speed limiters in all vehicles to stop them exceeding 70mph under all circumstances, and lower speed limits according to local signage. We know the EU is planning it. Why not use that ISA technology now ?

.Why not have black boxes in all cars and motorcycles now?

Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA).
 
Just use your eyes.

You wouldn't believe me if I told you I had. You haven't believed me this morning.

Look out your own windscreen next time you're driving anywhere, and then tell us, hand on your heart, that everyone in your part of the world is sticking to the speed limits plus tolerance.

The fastest drivers in the country (Vauxhall vans, commuters, Audi drivers....) are breaking the law for all to see. And the police simply aren't making the prosecutions.
Fair enough. I wouldn’t risk it myself.
 
Fair enough. I wouldn’t risk it myself.
(Cough) TBH Like anyone else who drives on the M25, M40 and M3, I do it Usually because there's a Vauxhall van, Range Rover, or Audi on my tail

Point remains, you don't believe that people do it.

A good game for Christmas holidays:

Take the kids out somewhere, drive at the speed limit, and ask them to count the number of vehicles that are going faster than you in the course of 30 minutes.
 
(Cough) TBH Like anyone else who drives on the M25, M40 and M3, I do it Usually because there's a Vauxhall van, Range Rover, or Audi on my tail

Point remains, you don't believe that people do it.

A good game for Christmas holidays:

Take the kids out somewhere, drive at the speed limit, and ask them to count the number of vehicles that are going faster than you in the course of 30 minutes.
Mike, I don’t dispute for a second that people speed, what I dispute is that they speed purposely through cameras.
 
Mike, I don’t dispute for a second that people speed, what I dispute is that they speed purposely through cameras.
Fair enough.

A good game for Christmas holidays:

Take the kids out somewhere, drive at the speed limit, and ask them to count the number of vehicles that are going faster than you in the course of 30 minutes.

And then ask the kids whether those grown ups were so silly that they didn't realise what they were doing... 27 in a 20, 40 in a 30, 60 in a 50, or 80 in a 70....

I would suggest pointing them in the direction of motorcycles delivering fast food in 20mph areas, but that would be too easy.
 

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