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The EV fact thread

Forgot to add that Bernard Looney, the CEO of BP was very proud that two thirds of the profit from a BP forecourt comes from its retail / cafe operation, with only one third coming from fuel. His "contentious" board team was recruited from retail and property development backgrounds, rather than from petrol distribution. (For more details see the Nicholas Tangen interview with Looney from early last year)

They'll be very happy with EV charging points then.... obviously some motorists will just stay in the car listen to music and go through their emails, but overall I think more people will be visiting the shops.
 
Fantastic news, thanks for sharing. Brilliant
Aston Barclay are running EV auctions every month at Donington they have trained their staff to handle EV's one thing that is very weird is before they started this EV only when a EV turns up at a normal auction it makes no noise as it comes in and all the people stop talking or eating their sausage rolls even the aution guy tones it down its a little sureal.
 
I find it curious that nearly all public car parks and private driveways are not protected from the elements.

That's where the majority of EV charging takes place, after all.

OK, no one stands by the side of the car, in snow, every week of the year, while the charging cable is attached to the car. But that's hardly an excuse, is it ?

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Who cares about home chargers? Why would they be under cover, unless you have them installed under a car port. When travelling long distance most charging is done on motorway service stations or retail parks away from the comfort of home or street lamp charging. Not everyone does grandpa mileage and only charges at home once a week. Interestingly I went to visit someone at the Royal Derby Hospital tonight and the two, yes TWO solitary chargers in the car park were taped off as they were out of order. Way to go! :doh:
 
I find it curious that nearly all public charging stations are not protected from the elements, unlike petrol stations. In the pouring rain or snow on a cold day/evening this surely adds the misery of EV ownership.

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Because it takes seconds to plug in a charge cable before getting back into the car as opposed to a few minutes standing pumping fuel?
 
Who cares about home chargers? Why would they be under cover, unless you have them installed under a car port.
Why would public chargers be covered? So you can stand outside your car whilst it recharges in the rain?
 
When travelling long distance most charging is done on motorway service stations or retail parks away from the comfort of home or street lamp charging. Not everyone does grandpa mileage and only charges at home once a week.
Is 200 miles a day ‘grandpa’ mileage? That can be achieved with solely home charging on a lot of EVs…
 
Who cares about home chargers? Why would they be under cover, unless you have them installed under a car port. When travelling long distance most charging is done on motorway service stations or retail parks away from the comfort of home or street lamp charging. Not everyone does grandpa mileage and only charges at home once a week. Interestingly I went to visit someone at the Royal Derby Hospital tonight and the two, yes TWO solitary chargers in the car park were taped off as they were out of order. Way to go! :doh:

It's a valid point.

I charge on the lamppost in front of my house, and when it's pissing rain it's not fun taking the charging cable out if the boot and plugging it into the socket, instead of going straight indoors as I otherwise would have done.

At least for unplugging I can wait for the rain to stop.
 
Is 200 miles a day ‘grandpa’ mileage? That can be achieved with solely home charging on a lot of EVs…
No, 200+ mile range is what can be achieved solely by charging at, or near, home, work, the pub or even at Derby General Hospital…., by virtually all new EV’s sold this year. (Even the little Ora Funky Cat.)

Most cars are parked 98% of their lives on this “earth,” so it’s easy to do 50,000 miles a year in an EV.

Which is why most company car drivers are now being forced by Western Governments - and climate scientists - into driving EV’s rather than ICE. We get what we voted for.

It’s the high mileage drivers who are switching to 4p a mile EVs charged at or near home and work, not weekend drivers.
 
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The issue isn't just chargers being busy - but the length of time required to occupy them in order to charge - and the limited range of EVs constraining the decision as to where/when to stop - less likely to be able to drive by to the next one.

The likes of Bank Holidays and the resulting spate of vehicles making long distance journeys on similar routes - with large proportion not being able to complete the journey without a significant recharge stop - well the result is obvious - and it's potentially way way beyond the issues we might see with ICE vehicles.
In my opinion, EV ranges and charging times are already pretty good and are getting better quite rapidly too 😎

The data must be out there - how far do most people typically drive on these journeys? Could they not start with a healthy level of charge and therefore most drivers would not need to stop mid-journey? Would that not mean an EV would be suitable for most people?

I think I’ve raised this before - you can leave an EV plugged in somewhere (at home, for example) and start your journey with a ‘full tank’

If you run on dino juice, typically the first thing you need to do when starting out on a long journey is find somewhere to fill up - awkward :)
 
In my opinion, EV ranges and charging times are already pretty good and are getting better quite rapidly too 😎

The data must be out there - how far do most people typically drive on these journeys? Could they not start with a healthy level of charge and therefore most drivers would not need to stop mid-journey? Would that not mean an EV would be suitable for most people?

I think I’ve raised this before - you can leave an EV plugged in somewhere (at home, for example) and start your journey with a ‘full tank’

If you run on dino juice, typically the first thing you need to do when starting out on a long journey is find somewhere to fill up - awkward :)
Two issues here for me. Firstly the EV6 I drive will add circa 200 miles in 15 minutes on a modern hi speed charger to be found on many M Ways and A roads. Not a long time at all, about the same time it takes too fuel up at a busy Tesco/Costco/Sainsbury etc.

Second, 95% of charging is done overnight at low cost at my home. Always leave with a full charge of 250 miles plus.

ev use is merely a different means to travel, yes it is less costly, less air polluting and very fast (if required!) but that’s it, honest. The Daily Mail readers pretending ev use is an assault on their very life and existence really should get a life, or as Bruce Forsyth used to say, ‘Keep Dancing’ lol
 
In my opinion, EV ranges and charging times are already pretty good and are getting better quite rapidly too 😎

The data must be out there - how far do most people typically drive on these journeys? Could they not start with a healthy level of charge and therefore most drivers would not need to stop mid-journey? Would that not mean an EV would be suitable for most people?

I think I’ve raised this before - you can leave an EV plugged in somewhere (at home, for example) and start your journey with a ‘full tank’

If you run on dino juice, typically the first thing you need to do when starting out on a long journey is find somewhere to fill up - awkward :)


True, but filling up an ice car takes 5 mins and is never a problem. Also, I've never got piss wet through filling up my car in the rain 😅. EVs definitely are very good, and I very much quite fancy a EQS once the managing directors have moved on theirs and nobody else wants the ridiculous luxobarge ☺️
 
Two issues here for me. Firstly the EV6 I drive will add circa 200 miles in 15 minutes on a modern hi speed charger to be found on many M Ways and A roads. Not a long time at all, about the same time it takes too fuel up at a busy Tesco/Costco/Sainsbury etc.

Second, 95% of charging is done overnight at low cost at my home. Always leave with a full charge of 250 miles plus.

ev use is merely a different means to travel, yes it is less costly, less air polluting and very fast (if required!) but that’s it, honest. The Daily Mail readers pretending ev use is an assault on their very life and existence really should get a life, or as Bruce Forsyth used to say, ‘Keep Dancing’ lol

In spreadsheet terms I see your logic 1000000%. In terms of loving cars, driving, or just owning something special or beautiful... not so much if I'm honest. But that's just me
 
Hatchet job, or real world experience?

 
Is 200 miles a day ‘grandpa’ mileage? That can be achieved with solely home charging on a lot of EVs…
Long distance means having to travel so far as to necessitate filling up in order to complete the distance required, not a mere 200 miles.
 
Long distance means having to travel so far as to necessitate filling up in order to complete the distance required, not a mere 200 miles.

Understood. How often do you go on journeys longer than 200 miles, and how detrimental to your journey would it be if you needed to charge your EV en-route? I am trying to gauge if in your circumstances an EV is a minor inconvenience, a complete no-no, or somewhere in between.
 
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Understood. How often do you go on journeys longer than 200 miles, and how detrimental to your journey would it be if you needed to charge your EV on the way?
One example for you: My SIL lives in Liskeard which is 287 miles door to door and the wife and I rack up the miles at an alarming rate throughout the year because SIL doesn't drive so it's always us that goes to visit. This distance is not an issue as I can get there and back and still have fuel in the tank. Also, we usually only stop once for a quick toilet break and driver swap at Gloucester Services and it's back on the road.
 
Long distance means having to travel so far as to necessitate filling up in order to complete the distance required, not a mere 200 miles.
Exactly, and for someone starting every day with 200-300 miles in their EV tank, 200 miles is an easy journey.

For ICE owners, usually starting most days with a less than half tank, a visit to a petrol station is vital.
 
One example for you: My SIL lives in Liskeard which is 287 miles door to door and the wife and I rack up the miles at an alarming rate throughout the year because SIL doesn't drive so it's always us that goes to visit. This distance is not an issue as I can get there and back and still have fuel in the tank. Also, we usually only stop once for a quick toilet break and driver swap at Gloucester Services and it's back on the road.
Perfect EV case. Top up briefly at Gloucester, and then plug in a granny cable when you anrrive and job done - at 4p a mile for half the journey, but more for the return.

I did the same journey at Christmas. Such a nightmare to spend so much money filling up with fuel.
 
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