The EV fact thread

[Dryce]

There's nothing reliable about ICE cars, and the manufacturers didn’t get it "pretty much nailed".

I'm going to very strongly disagree with you - and to say 'nothing reliable' is just emotive nonsense.

 

[rf065]

I'm going to very strongly disagree with you - and to say 'nothing reliable' is just emotive nonsense.

I'll agree, took my CLK to 150,000 miles without getting stranded at the roadside once. Paintwork and rust was another story but you could rely on the car 100% to travel all round Europe without worry.

 

[SmartAmg]

This thread just goes round and round.

Doesn't it just.

 

[Mactech]

Doesn't it just.

In tech terms, that’s epic-cyclic

….or just dragging on a bit…..

 

[BTB 500]

But when a piece of software code fails on an EV - it's "Whooha, stop press, these things are unreliable".

Well no ... in this case it's when What Car? publishes the results of a survey based on 30,000 UK drivers of 200 different cars up to 5 years old from 31 manufacturers.

If anyone knows of a better/more objective source of data on the relative reliability of recent/current models (both EV and ICE) then please share it?

 

[poormansporsche]

So another leaf update........

Despite driving a car that looks like a minicab, it's amazing how quickly "Leaf Blowing" of 135i's (what I like to call it) becomes stale. I thought I'd get the "bug" but haven't. I have absolutely no desire to get a "super EV".

No matter how they accelerate, it just doesn't compare to dropping of the gas, on a slippy roundabout then gunning it with a 6 cylinder RWD auto and the back end sliding round, priceless

 

[markjay]

I'll agree, took my CLK to 150,000 miles without getting stranded at the roadside once. Paintwork and rust was another story but you could rely on the car 100% to travel all round Europe without worry.

And I had my EV since Sep 2021 and had zero issues with it. But this neither supports or disproves my argument, or yours......

 

[markjay]

So another leaf update........

Despite driving a car that looks like a minicab, it's amazing how quickly "Leaf Blowing" of 135i's (what I like to call it) becomes stale. I thought I'd get the "bug" but haven't. I have absolutely no desire to get a "super EV".

No matter how they accelerate, it just doesn't compare to dropping of the gas, on a slippy roundabout then gunning it with a 6 cylinder RWD auto and the back end sliding round, priceless

My experience is similar: as good as the IONIQ 5 is, it is nowhere near as fun to drive as the C180 was.

 

[markjay]

Also, we should consider brand reliability.

Unfortunately, MB just isn't up there.

Of the cars that I ran for a longer period, the marques with zero faults were Toyota (20 years), Kia (5 years), Hyundai (3 years and counting), and Suzuki (5 years and counting).

The marques that I had to put up with the occasional repair were MB (14 years in total), Vauxhall (11 years in total), and Renault (5 years).

I expect that this trend will carry across to EVs: those made by the more reliable brands, will have less issues.

 

[poormansporsche]

My experience is similar: as good as the IONIQ 5 is, it is nowhere near as fun to drive as the C180 was.

It's not just a EV thing though, I'd probably feel the same about a modern multi geared flappy paddled ICE. You just can't beat using the accelerator to control a old school clunky auto box

 

[Will]

I think people are easily distracted.

EVs were not created specifically to improve reliability.

If it turns out that in time they are easier to maintain and/or more reliable, then that would be great.

Nor were they created to be faster, or more fun to drive, or cheaper, or to go further without needing to refuel/recharge than an ICE vehicle.

They were designed primarily to reduce the dependency for fossil fuels and the associated emissions from burning/combusting these fuels in environments where humans live and breathe.

And of course they are not a silver bullet, we all know there’s still emissions from tyres or brakes etc but it’s certainly a step in the right direction.

It seems as though some are very keen to point out any perceived disadvantages whilst totally ignoring the main benefits that EVs do offer.

But this was always going to be the case

As I’ve said before, someone could invent an EV that costs less than an ICE equivalent, that’s quicker, can tow a caravan at 85mph for 500 miles without stopping, be more reliable and some people would still look for a reason not to buy one

 

[rf065]

And I had my EV since Sep 2021 and had zero issues with it. But this neither supports or disproves my argument, or yours......

Come back with 150,000 miles on the clock if you're still on original batteries then.

 

[SmartAmg]

Come back with 150,000 miles on the clock if you're still on original batteries then.

Any particular reason why he shouldn't?

 

[markjay]

Come back with 150,000 miles on the clock if you're still on original batteries then.

I won't, because the car goes back to Hyundai Finance in September...

It will still have 4 years of warranty remaining on the battery when I hand it back, though.

So, I think that whoever buys it from Hyundai Finance need not worry.

 

[poormansporsche]

I won't, because the car goes back to Hyundai Finance in September...

It will still have 4 years of warranty remaining on the battery when I hand it back, though.

So, I think that whoever buys it from Hyundai Finance need not worry.

So what's the planned replacement then ?????

 

[ChipChop]

And I had my EV since Sep 2021 and had zero issues with it. But this neither supports or disproves my argument, or yours......

How many miles have you completed in your 3+ year long term EV test?

 

[ChipChop]

I think people are easily distracted.

EVs were not created specifically to improve reliability.

If it turns out that in time they are easier to maintain and/or more reliable, then that would be great.

Nor were they created to be faster, or more fun to drive, or cheaper, or to go further without needing to refuel/recharge than an ICE vehicle.

They were designed primarily to reduce the dependency for fossil fuels and the associated emissions from burning/combusting these fuels in environments where humans live and breathe.

And of course they are not a silver bullet, we all know there’s still emissions from tyres or brakes etc but it’s certainly a step in the right direction.

It seems as though some are very keen to point out any perceived disadvantages whilst totally ignoring the main benefits that EVs do offer.

But this was always going to be the case

As I’ve said before, someone could invent an EV that costs less than an ICE equivalent, that’s quicker, can tow a caravan at 85mph for 500 miles without stopping, be more reliable and some people would still look for a reason not to buy one

Care to share any evidence that urban EV adoption is a step in the right direction environmentally? Hint hint the Jacobs report says no but those with a vested interest, arise Sir Khan, say yes.
Lets face it the push for Western countries to go green is nothing more than a mechanism for disrupters flogging carbon credits and the PRC to take over the reigns. All to the detriment of our own economy. Net zero madness is the apt term for this nonsense.

 

[190]

Nor were they created to be faster ....

And yet the EV manufacturers have attempted to do just that. The motoring magazines aren't impressed if an EV won't do a sub 5 sec O-60 which only encourages the trend. When manufacturers initially focused on huge, heavy and very fast EV's that had absolutely nothing to do with saving the planet, rather it had to do with selling cars at the biggest profit possible.

I agree with your premise, governments intended that EV's should be about saving the planet and be simply a means of transport but the clumsy and crude implementation of the rules means we are a very long way from that just yet and arguably going in the wrong direction in some respects that weight and performance produce such as increased manufacturing emissions and tyre particle emissions. As long as people want to drive a 2.5 tonne monster SUV or a very fast EV then saving the planet is very much a secondary consideration in their minds. This is what governments are up against. The manufacturers don't care, saving the planet was never in their minds in the first place, they saw playing lip service to the rules as a means of increasing profit margins so they fell over themselves to announce the ceasing of ICE production as fast as possible only to find they had to U turn because the buyers weren't playing along with either their plan or the governments plan. EV implementation has been a bit of a mess really and if people are dissatisfied with how they drive then that rather misses the point of what EV's were intended to be which is why they are not being taken up is not as fast governments would like.

 

[Will]

Care to share any evidence that urban EV adoption is a step in the right direction environmentally? Hint hint the Jacobs report says no but those with a vested interest, arise Sir Khan, say yes.
Lets face it the push for Western countries to go green is nothing more than a mechanism for disrupters flogging carbon credits and the PRC to take over the reigns. All to the detriment of our own economy. Net zero madness is the apt term for this nonsense.

When you say ‘urban EV adoption is a step in the right direction environmentally’ - could you explain how an ICE powered vehicle improves air quality in urban environments?

Quick to mention China again, who seemingly to you are only of concern when discussing the propulsion of vehicles again.

 

[Will]

And yet the EV manufacturers have attempted to do just that. The motoring magazines aren't impressed if an EV won't do a sub 5 sec O-60 which only encourages the trend. When manufacturers initially focused on huge, heavy and very fast EV's that had absolutely nothing to do with saving the planet, rather it had to do with selling cars at the biggest profit possible.

I agree with your premise, governments intended that EV's should be about saving the planet and be simply a means of transport but the clumsy and crude implementation of the rules means we are a very long way from that just yet and arguably going in the wrong direction in some respects that weight and performance produce such as increased manufacturing emissions and tyre particle emissions. As long as people want to drive a 2.5 tonne monster SUV or a very fast EV then saving the planet is very much a secondary consideration in their minds. This is what governments are up against. The manufacturers don't care, saving the planet was never in their minds in the first place, they saw playing lip service to the rules as a means of increasing profit margins so they fell over themselves to announce the ceasing of ICE production as fast as possible only to find they had to U turn because the buyers weren't playing along with either their plan or the governments plan. EV implementation has been a bit of a mess really and if people are dissatisfied with how they drive then that rather misses the point of what EV's were intended to be which is why they are not being taken up is not as fast governments would like.

I agree with some of your points, but would argue that it’s a case of supply and demand.

And of course any car only goes as fast as you push the accelerator.

Witness the huge amount of performance vehicles and large engined SUVs over the last couple of decades - nothing to do with EVs but there’s plenty of Range Rovers and V8 sports cars used for daily driving.

People could buy lightweight 1L ICE cars but they don’t seem to want to, do they?

I see more Qashqais and Evoke sized vehicles than tiny hatchbacks on the road in and around London and the suburbs.