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Traffic Police: Why do they generally drive over the speed limit with no lights?

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As above really.

I'm not out for a slagging match, i'm just wondering if the members of her majesty's finest on this forum could offer some explanation.

I spend about 2 hours each working day on the M4, and I regulary see traffic cars doing well over the limit, about 80-90 mph i'd say, with no blue lights, just simply driving in the outside lane past everyone, with no apparent concern for getting through the traffic to say respond to something. I'm pretty sure if i was 'caught' doing the same i'd be pulled over for speeding, since it's an absoloute offence right?
 
Might be following someone or just want to move up the motorway without drawing attention to themselves.
 
or they are getting hungry and are in a hurry to get the the chip shop (a common hang out up here for bobbies)
 
I'm pretty sure if i was 'caught' doing the same i'd be pulled over for speeding, since it's an absoloute offence right?

If driving well & considerately in good conditions I very much doubt you'd be pulled over for doing an indicated 80-85 mph.

Under ACPO guidelines the minimum speed for a fixed penalty is 79 mph (over 80 on most speedos).
 
I've seen Police cars just use thier sirens to go through traffic lights then turn them off straight after. A select few totally abuse thier powers I believe.
 
If driving well & considerately in good conditions I very much doubt you'd be pulled over for doing an indicated 80-85 mph.

I'm pretty sure if you got caught exceeding the speed limit within the overtaking lane (with Police equipment) they will pull you over with a caution at least.
 
I'm pretty sure if you got caught exceeding the speed limit within the overtaking lane (with Police equipment) they will pull you over with a caution at least.

Sorry, no. As a general rule they are simply not interested in people doing 10-15 mph over the motorway limit unless there's another aspect of their driving (or vehicle) that catches their attention. As I said, the ACPO guidelines recommend no action unless you're exceeding 79 mph.
 
IIRC the police don't need to have blues and two's on to exceed the given speed limit, only a reason to break the speed limit. The siren and lights are their to alert the public to their presence.

Remember, if someone is breaking into a house, and the police are called, they will not use the siren to alert the intruder and near arrival will turn off the blues too to ensure they appear unannounced.
 
It's generally safer for a Traffic car to proceed without siren and lights...

If they have siren or lights on, it can be difficult to predict how other motorists will react- some will brake to a halt, causing utter confusion- while if they drive without siren and lights there is a reduced chance of another driver reacting unpredictably.





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I prefer them to be going at a decent speed, way better than the few that do 69mph and make everyone too scared to overtake them
 
It's generally safer for a Traffic car to proceed without siren and lights...

If they have siren or lights on, it can be difficult to predict how other motorists will react- some will brake to a halt, causing utter confusion- while if they drive without siren and lights there is a reduced chance of another driver reacting unpredictably.





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Debatable.

In an urban situation no, unless blues and two's are on people will not anticipate the speed of an emergecy vehicle, particularly as these pass through red traffic lights. They are particular important to padestrians so they can be alerted to something out of the ordinary going on around them.

Most people do react wrongly to an emergency vehicle and can over react. I'll slow down and move to the side if its safe to do so to let the emergency vehicle through, but I'd do nothing to jeopordise my own safety...

On a motorway if the traffic car was intending of making high progress they'd want people to be aware of them, blues and two's may give people this extra awareness. I was on a mway and looked in my mirror and saw a volvo with the blues on about 500yrds behind me, I didn't overtake the vehicle I intended to pass as I knew this may slow down the volvo. If the volvo didn't have these on I may well have slowed him down.
 
I'd disagree with the OP in that the majority of police vehicles I see on the motorways are doing just under speed limit with no lights. Alternatively they are lights on and easily exceeding it, but no lights and over limit is very rare in my experience.
 
As above really.

I'm not out for a slagging match, i'm just wondering if the members of her majesty's finest on this forum could offer some explanation.

I spend about 2 hours each working day on the M4, and I regulary see traffic cars doing well over the limit, about 80-90 mph i'd say, with no blue lights, just simply driving in the outside lane past everyone, with no apparent concern for getting through the traffic to say respond to something. I'm pretty sure if i was 'caught' doing the same i'd be pulled over for speeding, since it's an absoloute offence right?

Wouldn't you if you could & you weren't paying for the petrol?

On a separate note, I presume police cars have some sort of tacograph/black box or gps monitoring which will track speed?
 
Remember, if someone is breaking into a house, and the police are called, they will not use the siren to alert the intruder and near arrival will turn off the blues too to ensure they appear unannounced.


That kinda defeats the purpose when they turn up in a diesel van at 3 in the morning. You could hear them for miles before they turned into the street. :eek:

Russ
 
When out with traffic police, I noted much of their use of lights, siren and their decisions to adhere to speed limits or not – with or without emergency equipment being used.

Lights – a vast selection is available for their use. These comprised:

  • 360degree revolving blue lights – on roofbar
  • front flashing blue lights – on roof bar
  • front flashing blue lights – on grill/front bumpers
  • rear flashing red/blue lights – either roofbar or within vehicle rear lamp cluster
  • flashing headlamps – daytime use only, per ACPO guidelines
  • or all on (a “999” switch) including activation of siren
Siren – 4 types I noted available:

  • wail
  • yelp
  • 2-tone
  • Buzz (or something, can’t remember that one exactly)
The sirens (once activated by the master control switch with the light controls) is switched on/off via the horn press on the steering wheel. If the siren is off, a single press will switch it on, and then another press will move on to the next siren type and so on; 2 presses will switch the siren off. This is why you often hear the horn bleep when they switch their sirens on/off.

As for siren use, and lights for that matter – they are only used to alert other road users of their presence. To leave the sirens on all the time defeats the element of surprise (no, really) as the siren coming on is the most important noise it can make; once it’s wailing away it loses effectiveness. What was noted in town driving the sirens were used to alternate types when traversing junctions, going on roundabouts, over pedestrian crossings etc, and then switched off.

At high speed on a fast road, again their use was very marginal as the sheer speeds involved made their noise virtually useless against normal traffic noise.

When approaching a vehicle from behind on a dual-carriageway, the police car would get exceptionally close to the rear bumper, positioned very much in view of the drivers’ door mirror of the vehicle in front – lights are more effective than noise (plus much gesticulation from the police driver ;))

As for high speed with no lights/siren, this seemed to be commonplace – very notable when they were responding to an incident where it was not an A-grade (I think other forces use a different grading system, but Cambs have an A-grade has a priority call) but on a so-called “hurry up” where attendance was needed but not critical to get there as soon as they could.

Sorry for long post!
 
That kinda defeats the purpose when they turn up in a diesel van at 3 in the morning. You could hear them for miles before they turned into the street. :eek:

Russ

They don't park right infront of the house, maybe 1/2 a block away and travel quietly and swiftly by foot.
 
We all know speed kills. But how often is it just the speed?

For instance if a speeding drunk driver kills, isn't it fair to assume that the drunken state of the driver was to blame, or a drugged up driver speeding, or a joyrider in a stolen car speeding. In other words what are the statistics for actual speed killing on it's own as opposed to being linked to some other crime?

I'm sure someone will know.
 
Debatable.

In an urban situation no, unless blues and two's are on people will not anticipate the speed of an emergecy vehicle, particularly as these pass through red traffic lights.


on the M4, and I regulary see traffic cars doing well over the limit, about 80-90 mph i'd say, with no blue lights, just simply driving in the outside lane past everyone

I was replying to the OP's observations.

At 80-90 on a motorway, use of siren & lights is not just unnecessary (as it is the average speed of 3rd land traffic on most days) but also dangerous (as it can cause unpredictable behaviour by MOPs).

At 100+ on the motorway, the situaton starts to change...

At no point was I talking about roads other than Motorways.
 
We all know speed kills. But how often is it just the speed?

For instance if a speeding drunk driver kills, isn't it fair to assume that the drunken state of the driver was to blame, or a drugged up driver speeding, or a joyrider in a stolen car speeding. In other words what are the statistics for actual speed killing on it's own as opposed to being linked to some other crime?

I'm sure someone will know.

Agreed.

You can set the speed limit to whatever you like, 30,40,50 etc., and it won't make any difference to these types of people. Or to others who are not insured, car registered to wrong address, no driving licence etc.

I'd really like to know how many deaths / serious injuries are down to the categories listed above and how many are down to ordinary drivers who just happen to be exceeding the limit by a few mph when the accident occurs.
 
My experience is that often the police car is traveling at around 65 in the inside lane and therefore caused a bit of a tail back....

Seems they can't win either way........damned if they do and damned if they don't...
 

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