Was stopped lastnight for speeding and given 3 points..

[Donza]

I am pretty ****** off now....

So yesterday when i handed over my photocopy of my licence. They accepted it.

NOW i get a call saying, photocopies are useless and they need the real licence. I have lost my licence which i is why i have a photocopy.

I went to the station and i was told either produce an actual licence or face court. I am no bloody criminal.

I took my passport, insurance docs and everything else. But PC Plod behind the sodding counter said its no good.

How long does it take for a new licence to be sent by the DVLA? I have until This Friday to show it to them.

Note: i was one of the last people to recieve a paper licence. Never had a card..

Is there anyway i can get the DVLA to give me something which is adequate in the meanwhile?

 

[imadoofus]

I have lost my licence which i is why i have a photocopy.

Presumably you knew you were going to mislay it, which is why you thought to photocopy it beforehand...

 

[Donza]

Presumably you knew you were going to mislay it, which is why you thought to photocopy it beforehand...

Yeah i lost it, with the pure intention of carrying a photocopy around. I love photocopies..

 

[Mark300SL]

I have lost my licence which i is why i have a photocopy.

Anyone else would have got a replacement licence

Maybe I am in a minority but I knew it was an offence not to be able to produce a licence when required.

You speed and its not your fault ?
You dont have a licence to produce and its not your fault ?

Whose fault is it then exactly that you don't like the rules of the road and the law of the land ? - its not like you have just been hit by a 2 obscure laws that no-one has ever heard of

 

[umedc]

Anyone else would have got a replacement licence

Maybe I am in a minority but I knew it was an offence not to be able to produce a licence when required.

You speed and its not your fault ?
You dont have a licence to produce and its not your fault ?

Whose fault is it then exactly that you don't like the rules of the road and the law of the land ? - its not like you have just been hit by a 2 obscure laws that no-one has ever heard of

second that

 

[robert.saunders]

Yeah i lost it, with the pure intention of carrying a photocopy around. I love photocopies..

Why did you copy it

 

[pammy]

Anyone else would have got a replacement licence

Maybe I am in a minority but I knew it was an offence not to be able to produce a licence when required.

You speed and its not your fault ?
You dont have a licence to produce and its not your fault ?

Whose fault is it then exactly that you don't like the rules of the road and the law of the land ? - its not like you have just been hit by a 2 obscure laws that no-one has ever heard of

But isn't it odd how all these things seem to happen to the same people, most of it I find quite incredible tbh.

Quite why you would photocpy your driving license I don't comprehend - but to expect your passport to suffice as a suitable alternative. It is not a driving licence - it's a passport. I know loads of people with passports who do not hold valid driving licences. You wouldn't expect your driving licence to be accepted as a substitue passport.

A photocopy is rather convenient - especially if, and I'm not suggestong that is the case, you have had your real licence revoked etc. Of course they won't accept anything other than an original valid licence - why would or should they. I'd be more worried if they did.

Sorry Donza - not meaning this to sound like I'm having a go - but I find your stories gob-smacking - and entertaining.

But it's another example of the cherry picking that some members seem to think is OK when it comes to the laws of the land. They only want to abide by those that suit when they suit, but expect everyone else to abide by the ones they want them to abide by.

 

[recycled]

Is there not a rumour/urban myth going round that if you present a copy, you may not get points put on.
Not that i am suggesting anything sinister here.

 

[MBManInKen]

But isn't it odd how all these things seem to happen to the same people, most of it I find quite incredible tbh.

You just said what I have been thinking for a long time.

Donza is really unlucky though. No sooner has a certain topic been raised on the forum, or shortly afterwards it happens to him.

 

[st4]

He's an accountant, he knows the cost of having to buy a new one and maybe values his money. He is also one of the more respectable members of society too

I think his situation is sh**. He got cought speeding, and he can't produce a licence because he mislaid it. Lots of people take copies of their docs in their car

(I do with my insurance cert because the database the cops has isn't always perfect, and at least at a road side it would help me explain that I'm insured and he might call the insurance company and find out I was)

Anyway, can't the police call the DVLA and find out whether DOnza has a licence, it can't be too hard. Mr Plodd phones DVLA, does mr donza of such and such have a valid licence, and then await the reply. He could then organise a new licence for himself at his leasure.

But thats no longer the way these days, no fine in trying to help the guy out, more for fining him for not being able to produce his licence.

 

[Dieselman]

***.
Do you lie awake at night thinking up drivel to spout on here. Apologies if that's offensive but you really ought to take the time to read some of the stuff you write on here.

The law of the land says one has to produce a driving license if asked by a Police officer. Donza doesn't appear to have a license to produce but conveniently has a photocopy of a license he doesn't have...

Err, how did he copy it if he doesn't have it, and why copy it when he did.?

Irrespective, if he has mislaid his license he should've applied for a new one before it was required to be produced..it's the law.
We are only allowed to drive on the roads under license and as part of that license we have to conform to certain rules, or the license is either revoked or a penalty is applied. That's what being under license means. There are no rights, just rules which one accepts in order to have a license granted. if you don't like the rules, don't have the licence..simple.

If he (and a minority of others here) could understand that simple requirement, then there wouldn't be any discussion to be had, like wise if he had adhered to the speed limit law.

He wouldn't be required to pay the stupidity tax at all..

Anyway, it looks like Donza has ignored the speeding rule so is going to gain 3 points and £60 fine and due to not thinking about having a current license to produce may get the same again.

Ever since driving licences were introduced there have been fines for non adherence to the rules, so it's nothing new.

Two lots of stupidity tax for the coffers...instead of zero..

Who's fault is that..??

 

[recycled]

i guess he is in a tight spot and this has happened at a bad time. When i lost my licence, i went to report it the nearest police station, in case it turned up at a crime scene. It was called tuebrook in my case They just told me to report it to the DVLA did not even take my name.
I called up DVLA on monday paid £20 by card and then it was sent within a week.

I totally see ***'s point here as it can easily be verified by phone whether he has a licence or not. but driving laws ,many of which are stupid by modern standards, dictate he has to produce his licence at a station.
Same as the law that says failure to produce documents when asked is an offence, but any copper then advises you not to carry your docs with you in case of theft.

As is the case, if you want to drive a car in this country, you have to follow the rules, mistake or hindsight or forgetfullness not withstanding.

but moving on, if you can pay a fine by post,or by card or renew your tax disc on line, or by phone and even check MOT's on line, is this "produce licence at station" not a bit outdated?
Saying that, it is not the fault of the police .

 

[st4]

i guess he is in a tight spot and this has happened at a bad time. When i lost my licence, i went to report it the nearest police station, in case it turned up at a crime scene. It was called tuebrook in my case They just told me to report it to the DVLA did not even take my name.
I called up DVLA on monday paid £20 by card and then it was sent within a week.

I totally see ***'s point here as it can easily be verified by phone whether he has a licence or not. but driving laws ,many of which are stupid by modern standards, dictate he has to produce his licence at a station.
Same as the law that says failure to produce documents when asked is an offence, but any copper then advises you not to carry your docs with you in case of theft.

As is the case, if you want to drive a car in this country, you have to follow the rules, mistake or hindsight or forgetfullness not withstanding.

but moving on, if you can pay a fine by post,or by card or renew your tax disc on line, or by phone and even check MOT's on line, is this "produce licence at station" not a bit outdated?
Saying that, it is not the fault of the police .

I'm not saying its the police's fault he is in this mess, but people mislay things, and thats his fault.It just seems a tad pedantic he will face 2 fines as opposed to one.

However it was aluded too that his licence would have been revoked, @ the roadside it probably would have been checked and somewhere along the line it would be checked surely.

Err, how did he copy it if he doesn't have it, and why copy it when he did.?

Funnily enough he could have copied it before he lost it - I have copies of mine, and my insurance cert as the original is valuable and copies, certified by a lawyer, are better than nothing.

My post was my POV, it may not be yours, but thats too bad.

 

[recycled]

Funnily enough he could have copied it before he lost it - I have copies of mine, and my insurance cert as the original is valuable and copies, certified by a lawyer, are better than nothing.
.

totally possible. i have copies right now of all my important docs too. I have my passport. cards and certificates, marriage and others including my educational ones as well.
never know when the original might go missing and ifthere are numbers on it you need to refer to, a copy is very relevant and a good place to start looking from

some members on here if (i can smell a rat) are implying that he is trying it on or doing something illegal. maybe i am wrong

 

[st4]

totally possible. i have copies right now of all my important docs too. I have my passport. cards and certificates, marriage and others including my educational ones as well.
never know when the original might go missing and ifthere are numbers on it you need to refer to, a copy is very relevant and a good place to start looking from

some members on here if (i can smell a rat) are implying that he is trying it on or doing something illegal. maybe i am wrong

And a copy, certified by a professional is good enough for compliance aspects of the industry i am in, and all the reasons you state. I carrya copy of my licence in my car, and insurance cert as the databases aren't always 100% right, and it may help you @ a roadside, it may not, but it can't do any harm.

If there is attempted foul play he won't get away with it, a photocopy of a licence proves he had one when it was copied, but they will check with the DVLA anyway as no doubt this seemingly clever dodge will have been tried before, hence I think the "producer" requirement and his failure to meet it seems daft.

All the self righteous posts about failing to meet to requirements etc and stupidty tax are all technically true, but how often have we all strayed a little above the speed limit, and of those who have, how many would take a while to find their licence's when they got home. Its not exactly a crime of condemnation.

 

[Mark300SL]

All the self righteous posts about failing to meet to requirements etc and stupidty tax are all technically true, but how often have we all strayed a little above the speed limit, and of those who have, how many would take a while to find their licence's when they got home. Its not exactly a crime of condemnation.

I'm pretty sure everyone here speeds on occasion, If I were going to fast and got caught I expect to pay for my actions. If asked to produce my licence then thats exactly what I do.

The continual bleating on this forum about how people have been hard done by fails to impress. I dont care if plod has his hat on or not, I know if I was in the wrong and when I am in the wrong I find being polite can often pay dividends. Most coppers are not out to pull people for 35 in a 30 - unless they have an attitude problem and then their minds may well turn to towards attitude adjustment instead

I have been stopped a couple of times for excess speed and in either case I would have deserved a punishment to fit the crime. In each case I was apologetic and the copper was understanding but firm without being patronising - maybe I was just lucky ??
I know for a fact there are copies of my driving licence in my personell file at work, however if I misplaced my licence I would be looking for a replacement not carrying one of the copies around.


Was Donza unlucky - maybe, is his tale deserving of a sympathy post on a motoring based forum - Hardly IMO

 

[recycled]

Was Donza unlucky - maybe, is his tale deserving of a sympathy post on a motoring based forum - Hardly IMO

Fair enough i certainly over no sympathy, but i still stand by my point that a producer or showing your licence at a station is as outdated as carburettors on a V8 or as a 4speed gearbox
But as that is the law then so be it.
Just for curiosity, what do they do with it anyway? the photocard part? not like they can write endorsements on it anyway.
i know they need the counterpart for putting points on but if they need the picture for identification, then any authentic ID would do.

 

[mw_C32]

Hey Donza,

Sorry to hear you got pulled for speeding mate, bummer, you have my sympathies.

Regards
Mark.

 

[UnMarked]

...... is this "produce licence at station" not a bit outdated? .

The offence is not producing it at the roadside when requested - not at the police station, and the requirement is when being prosecuted for a motoring offence that is endorsable (i.e carries points) then the driver's licence must be surrendered at the roadside or within 7 days or they commit the absolute offence of failing to produce a driving licence.

And a copy, certified by a professional is good enough for compliance aspects of the industry i am in, and all the reasons you state. I carrya copy of my licence in my car, and insurance cert as the databases aren't always 100% right, and it may help you @ a roadside, it may not, but it can't do any harm.

If there is attempted foul play he won't get away with it, a photocopy of a licence proves he had one when it was copied, but they will check with the DVLA anyway as no doubt this seemingly clever dodge will have been tried before, hence I think the "producer" requirement and his failure to meet it seems daft.

All the self righteous posts about failing to meet to requirements etc and stupidty tax are all technically true, but how often have we all strayed a little above the speed limit, and of those who have, how many would take a while to find their licence's when they got home. Its not exactly a crime of condemnation.

It may be fine for your industry to use photocopies but not for UK law. Sorry, but it is so simple and it is in the Highway Code so none of us have the 'ignorance' excuse to fall back on do we?

Fair enough i certainly over no sympathy, but i still stand by my point that a producer or showing your licence at a station is as outdated as carburettors on a V8 or as a 4speed gearbox
But as that is the law then so be it.
Just for curiosity, what do they do with it anyway? the photocard part? not like they can write endorsements on it anyway.
i know they need the counterpart for putting points on but if they need the picture for identification, then any authentic ID would do.

It's not outdated - the licence (both parts if applicable) need to be submitted for endorsing - the licence needs to be checked at the roadside to see if the driver is eligible to be dealt with by fixed-penalty (less than 9 points) or they go straight to court. Without passing go .

Hey Donza,

Sorry to hear you got pulled for speeding mate, bummer, you have my sympathies.

Regards
Mark.

and mine too

 

[The G.F.P]

Ah go and arrest me. I broke the law yeah? 5 miles over the limit. No wonder this country is going to hell..

Give me a break lol. I take it you like being shafted. Excuse the pun..

dont bother complaining here as quiet a few are holyier than thow and would willing chuck themselfs into a pit of molten lava if they ever caught themselfs doing 1mph over the limit

why did they stop you you may ask yourself for only 5mph, well thats because you have a car, are a law abiding citizen (except for the haneous crime of doing 5mph too much) and obviously have money so another crime solved no doubt and a few quid in the coffers to spend on speed cameras to hide in bushes on blind bends while chavs spank up and down peopels road with no licence ect but there is no point catching them as they dont have any money

que the loonly lefties .....