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GeeJayW said:
Given that it was probably Danny’s last F1 race, it was IMO more of a middle finger to those that consider him to be be unworthy of a seat in a competitive F1 car.

If Lando misses out on the championship by the one point that was lost, he and McLaren need to think about the points taken off him (unnecessarily IMHO) by Piastri…
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All of this.
 
Bellow said:
Can't quite get my head around why Norris has to win at the fastest possible speed.
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I think a great deal of that was the fact the the whole of the pit road was expecting a safety car, which never actually happened.
The buffer that Lando was able to build would have given him many more options than others had the previously obligatory safety car been deployed.
Not sure he had to go that quickly to stay awake, but there certainly is a real danger of losing concentration if you back off too much.
 
Mactech said:
I think a great deal of that was the fact the the whole of the pit road was expecting a safety car, which never actually happened.
The buffer that Lando was able to build would have given him many more options than others had the previously obligatory safety car been deployed.
Not sure he had to go that quickly to stay awake, but there certainly is a real danger of losing concentration if you back off too much.
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He was making some silly mistakes towards the end, that looked like his concentration dropping below 100%
 
TC350 said:
He was making some silly mistakes towards the end, that looked like his concentration dropping below 100%
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Looking at his physical condition and that of several other drivers at the end of the race, I’m not surprised he was getting a bit ‘punchy’…
 
Going back to comments about using telex machines, they were a life saver for me in 1974/5 due to the physical print-out you got. I was based in Karachi but sent to Singapore to buy and load a lot of kit for our upcoming drilling operation in Baluchistan, could not get a phone call from Singapore to Karachi for love nor money, so arranged with the hotel that I would use their telex machine and give them a print so they could charge me useage - and as the telex office in Karachi was opposite my bosses's office, soon as I started sending my report he could come in, read then comment and instruct via telex so printed. Also I got a physical print out of the messages, which I kept. After finding and contracting a forklift I'd been instructed to find, then being chastised by head office for contracting it as I did not have that authority, I was able to prove that I was following the written instructions of my boss! It was part of me deciding I could not longer work for that pratt, quitting etc - much longer story!!
 
Mactech said:
I think a great deal of that was the fact the the whole of the pit road was expecting a safety car, which never actually happened.
The buffer that Lando was able to build would have given him many more options than others had the previously obligatory safety car been deployed.
Not sure he had to go that quickly to stay awake, but there certainly is a real danger of losing concentration if you back off too much.
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True, but he did the same at Zandvoort which makes me think it's a 'thing'' with him. On Sunday, he was getting too close to the walls running at a pace that was beyond that required for the win. Options are nice - keeping it out of the barriers nicer still.
 
HappytalkAgain said:
I’m still gobsmacked that McLaren casually asked one of their drivers to pull 5 seconds on the 2nd placed Red Bull and Lando was able to go 19 seconds even further up the road.

Who’d have thought that would have been possible a few races into this season??? 😳
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I think McLaren have genuinely made significant progress with multiple things coming at the same time and making a big difference.

However despite the FIA saying that Red Bull had been doing anything naughty with the brake bias, I can’t help thinking that they have stopped or removed something which had previously given them a clear advantage as relative performance dropped off a cliff.

I believe that is much more likely than all of the other front running teams having a step change in relative performance at exactly the same time.
 
HappytalkAgain said:
Another thing I find very odd is that IF McLarens rear ‘flexi’ wing has passed all the FIA tests for legality then why have McLaren said it will not appear on the car again??? 🧐

It must me on the VERY edge of what’s allowed.
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...and that is exactly where every part of the car will be relative to the regulations. Pushing the envelope is all part of the game.
Only when it bursts do you pull it back a couple of microns! I'm sure that's where the wing was in terms of dimensions/load, so just like kissing the barriers, I hope both Lando and McLaren will step back....by a few microns🙃
 
Bobby Dazzler said:
I think McLaren have genuinely made significant progress with multiple things coming at the same time and making a big difference.

However despite the FIA saying that Red Bull had been doing anything naughty with the brake bias, I can’t help thinking that they have stopped or removed something which had previously given them a clear advantage as relative performance dropped off a cliff.

I believe that is much more likely than all of the other front running teams having a step change in relative performance at exactly the same time.
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I think it’s possible that without Adrian Newey’s intuition, Red Bull have less understanding about the differences between what the ‘tools’ are telling them is the right set-up, and what the car is telling them. Their mojo has literally been barred from the paddock by none other than RBR themselves. That, together with improvements by the other teams (especially McLaren) has brought the pack together. Brilliant!
 
GeeJayW said:
I think it’s possible that without Adrian Newey’s intuition, Red Bull have less understanding about the differences between what the ‘tools’ are telling them is the right set-up, and what the car is telling them. Their mojo has literally been barred from the paddock by none other than RBR themselves. That, together with improvements by the other teams (especially McLaren) has brought the pack together. Brilliant!
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Adrian is brilliant at what he does, but these days it’s about assembling, developing, maintaining and leading a large team of experts rather than being “the” expert in every field. Nonetheless his character will mean that he always dips down into the detail.

Losing him and his leadership would certainly have an impact upon development of the car over time, but would it fall of off a cliff after Spain just 6 weeks after he resigned. They’ve struggled ever since, would the impact hit so hard, so quickly?

Personally I don’t believe so.
 
GeeJayW said:
I think it’s possible that without Adrian Newey’s intuition, Red Bull have less understanding about the differences between what the ‘tools’ are telling them is the right set-up, and what the car is telling them. Their mojo has literally been barred from the paddock by none other than RBR themselves. That, together with improvements by the other teams (especially McLaren) has brought the pack together. Brilliant!
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That idea is certainly supported when Christian Horner starts talking about 'emotional tyres'....
Despite the view that tyres are a bit of a black art, it really is all physics. Ferrari get caught reducing tyre pressures in the pit lane (strictly against the regulations) adds to this mystique. The reality is really that the air the tyres are filled with is likely to be issue. Was it hot and humid? What was the water content of that air that entered the tyres? Was the air dryer working correctly for all sets of tyres fitted? Why did George Russell think there was vast differences in the tyre sets?
That is all pure physics.
It is the people who are emotional, as indicated above.
The emotions being felt within Red Bull at the moment are not conducive to the performance, and certainly not the rational thinking which Adrian brought to the team.
We will have to see if Christian can steady the ship.
Max, at the moment, is still to be convinced.
 
Bellow said:
True, but he did the same at Zandvoort which makes me think it's a 'thing'' with him. On Sunday, he was getting too close to the walls running at a pace that was beyond that required for the win. Options are nice - keeping it out of the barriers nicer still.
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I think it's a 'thing' with the team.

Basically he needs (or feels that he needs) to demonstrate the pace he has over race distance against Verstappen to get the team to back him fully.

My feeling with the team is that they see Piastri as their future and that has left Norris having to prove himself worthy.

If the points position between the two drivers had been reversed I think McLaren would have been giving team orders to Norris several races ago.
 
HappytalkAgain said:
Yes. The Dr’s dirty work once again? Either way. I’ll be sad to see the end of F1’s fun-guy. Seems a really nice grounded fella.
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It’s not replacing him mid-season that bugs me, that can happen.

No, it’s the way that it just dribbled on without clarity. Didn’t give Daniel the opportunity to exit in the best way. Very poor and it seems, typical from the Red Bull organisation.
 
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