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Missed that. Can she afford it? Given the current credit crunch, is it wise for a 17 year old to be taking out HP on a car that will depreciate :confused: and a lot more to insure than a £1500 car? The new Fiat panda is a cracking car for around town (again not a motorway mile muncher) or the Grande Punto which has a 5 star NCAP rating - both can be had for sub 5k (probably 2-3k for the panda which is the same car as the 500 underneath)

I am never sure that spending a lot of money on a first car is wise - too many get written off and then the youngster/parents are left with paying essentially negative equity on a dead car
 
I am never sure that spending a lot of money on a first car is wise - too many get written off and then the youngster/parents are left with paying essentially negative equity on a dead car

One great reason to buy the safest newest car then! :crazy:
 
I also don't give a flying fig about carbon footprint, hand-print nor nasal print.

John


I'm almost certain that by writing the above statement, you have commited some sort of crime, well done, if only more people would be as honest.

Russ
 
One great reason to buy the safest newest car then! :crazy:

If you write it off and end up having to pay '000s on finance on a car you no longer have - a new car depreciates a grand as soon as you drive it away (unless you get a fantastic deal which you won't if you want 0% finance or free insurance etc) and then 30-50%+ in the first 3 years :confused:
 
I can add to the comments about the Focus being an excellent car. The handling is very, very sharp- Particularly on the saloon, they are generally well-equipped and moreover, cheap as chips to buy and run.

They are the standard fleet car at work and rarely go wrong. Except when I, ahem, break them.
I accept your vehicles 'should' be well maintained :D :o but how long does Avon & Zummerzett keep them for please?

regards
John
 
If you write it off and end up having to pay '000s on finance on a car you no longer have - a new car depreciates a grand as soon as you drive it away (unless you get a fantastic deal which you won't if you want 0% finance or free insurance etc) and then 30-50%+ in the first 3 years :confused:

Indeed, but with a newer car you will minimise the risk of serious injury.
Take a look at this thread......

http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=48906&highlight=volvo

Post 14, watch the video.
 
I am never sure that spending a lot of money on a first car is wise - too many get written off and then the youngster/parents are left with paying essentially negative equity on a dead car


There are 2 ways to look at it.

First car, needs to be cheap to run so that youngsters don't have all their earnings tied up in a car. But buying second hand, can mean ending up with a car that requires maintanence regular. The car will be wearing out and may not be in peak condition. Some people will get rid of the car when its out of warrantly and requires MOT's and cam belt changes etc. Thats when you pick them up. If you are on a budget here, and are not a mechy type, this can prove as expensive as buying a new car over the same period. And it will need expensive services as cars need things at certain ages and mileages. You may skimp of servicing by missing them out, but is that good practice? Its okay if you are handy with spanner driving so I am not discounting it, just adding an alternative point of view.

The alternative

Buy a car straight out of a dealer, Bear in mind that I have specified a car from a manufacturer that will heavily discount up front, so a new 500 can be had for £6k, and possibly less if you are good. it will be more greener and more economical than and older car as well as safer. Has a warranty and will be MOT free for 3 years. All if these give peice of mind and help to reduce the running costs, although that is ofset by the credit costs! And this is assuming that the young lady in this case, does not have the money to pay for it outright! Dad may be treating the daughter and has set a budget, but that does not mean she may not add some! You might get the first 3 services in the price too.

And from an insurance point of view, some policies will insure a new car, and if its involved in an accident that the repair cost, as greater than 50% of the cars value, they give you a new car.
Considering the price this car can be had, an accident requiring £3k worth of fixing, will write it off under those circumstances. That kind of accident can easily be had with a rear end bump, pushing the car into another. Kind of accident new drivers often get involved in!So if we are going to have that inevitable first accident!!!


Some people can afford £6k for a car. they either choose to get a cheap new car, or an older 2nd hand car.

I think the object here is to find the best value for money, taking into account all of the criteria suggested, and I am 60% in favour of the fiat 500. Panda's are great too and they could be had cheaper, but I think the 500 will be a good seller and will also retain more of its value as it will be liked.

Expect to see numerous MINI's come up at FIAT dealers over this year!!!!

I am 40% in favour of a POLO type, as opposed to the Focus, as the focus does what it says on the tin, but they are not a car that you really care for, unlike first car. And that particular point is the 10% why I would go for new in these circumstances.

Either way, whatever is chosen, it will have similar running costs over the same period, but the 500 will resell about £2k or £3k in 3 or so years, A car thats £1900 now, wont.

It would be close in costs for either. Expect a car at £1900 miles to cost around £1000 a year in running costs (VW/FORD, French types, will all be similar at this age). compare that with a new one and the repayment terms, and the value it will retain, it will work out similar.

Cars do lose when they walk out of the showroom, but in this case, 25% of this car is not that much. And you may pay 25% more for a decent 2nd car, than 1 with higher mileage.

Whole life practical ownership costs, over 3 years, it will be close. I did think about it before posting. Which, for me, is very unusual!


And you get the one advantage when buying new, you get to chose all the options and colours. £1500 is a lot of money in anyones book, and I want it to be spent on something of value. Not any old tin shed any one of us can pick up, as its cheap motoring.


I guy a used to work with. He always went to a auction, and had a price of £300. He got whatever had a full, recent MOT on it, and never paid more than £300. His view was, if it lasted a year, it was cheap motoring, and if it past the next MOT he had save £300 that year.

I remember showing him the new car tax that was added to the SLK55AMG I had bought new!:eek:

Mind you, he did have a wife to pay for as well.:rolleyes:
 
I'm almost certain that by writing the above statement, you have commited some sort of crime, well done, if only more people would be as honest.

Russ

In this mad world maybe, amongst the new age PC lot (you know the types, fair trade coffee drinkers, NU Labour fans, climate change is the biggest issue of our time lot so lets tax fuel and everything we possibly can thinkers).

But here such thinking should be embraced, it is a car forum after all.

Rant over and back on thread. The focus is a car from the segment above the supermini class like Polo etc and should in theory peform better in a crash.

I could start the PCP thing up again as a method to finance the car, so long as you have GAP cover, negative equity should not be an issue on an HP/PCP funded car.
 
I agree with what you're saying in principle - but how many 17 year olds want 5k+ of credit to pay off over 3 years (especially if off to uni or doing an apprenticeship) . Also, young folk get bored of their first car, I did for sure and will want to change within 3 years possibly. Not to mention the 1.5-2k to insure a 7k car (you aren't going to be able to go TPFT) :eek:

There's a long waiting list for the 500 - no discounts as yet afaik (cheapest on Autotrader is 7k pre-reg'd). Can get great deals on the Panda however. If safety is key, a Grande Punto is a better bet than the 500, simply being bigger and 5* NCAP.

This lot have some cracking deals on new Pandas if of interest http://www.fiatsupasaver.com/

I've never bought a car on finance so don't know the ins and outs
 
I'm almost certain that by writing the above statement, you have commited some sort of crime, well done, if only more people would be as honest.

Russ
Unfortunately I am renowned for being honest and sometimes I drop myself right in the 'proverbial'

Buying a young person a new car perhaps sends out the wrong message and not something I'm in agreement with and I am DEFINITELY NOT going to suggest hire purchase. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Number one son had a Ford Escort for a couple of years, he saved and eventually bought himself a nice MkIV Golf 1.8Gti turbo and I get the feeling he may shortly be replacing that one with a newer model, but none of this HP ma-larky :devil: :D

Wife has just taken both my daughter and son to look at one car down at Plymstock but unfortunately I'm to crook to go :o :o

Finally my brother really rated his Focus and reckons it's a fantastic car :) although I sometimes wonder if he is trying to wind me up.

Regards
John
 
We went the route of a Peugeot 306 - the 1.4 petrol is ridiculously low insurance, and the performance is more than adequate. Bit more metal around it than some super mini choices. We had advice from a local independent mechanic who reckoned they were fairly bullet-proof mechanically and reliable - much better than the 307. That was also our experience - maintenance costs (excl tax/insurance) were only around £200 p.a., and the car - now with some friends - is still chugging happily around town at 14 years old. Only point to watch for is to make sure it has power steering (not all 1.4s did and unless the tracking is spot on - which it won't be with a learner;) - the steering is very heavy).
 
Unfortunately I am renowned for being honest and sometimes I drop myself right in the 'proverbial'

Buying a young person a new car perhaps sends out the wrong message and not something I'm in agreement with and I am DEFINITELY NOT going to suggest hire purchase. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Number one son had a Ford Escort for a couple of years, he saved and eventually bought himself a nice MkIV Golf 1.8Gti turbo and I get the feeling he may shortly be replacing that one with a newer model, but none of this HP ma-larky :devil: :D

Wife has just taken both my daughter and son to look at one car down at Plymstock but unfortunately I'm to crook to go :o :o

Finally my brother really rated his Focus and reckons it's a fantastic car :) although I sometimes wonder if he is trying to wind me up.

Regards
John

I agree, a brand new car should be worked for and achieved, not just given. A helping hand to start one off, i.e. a £2k car is great but not over indulgent.

When she does earn enough to buy a new car, she'll appreciate it all the more.
 
Guido , that's why i started my post with :-

' I'm not suggesting that you should buy one .... ' ;)

Angela bought it because it's what she could afford at the time , and lets face it , we all buy cars that we like, if we were to always look at the worst case scenario , and buy because of it , we'd all be driving around in whatever was the best NCAP rating ....

But because we like our cars , we drive them , and because some of us can't actually afford the latest safest model.

I'm thinking about a BM 7 series , not because it is a safer car than my w124 , just because i fancy a change. Hadn't even thought about safety to be honest. :o

Howard, I can't find fault with the above - I was not trying to be confrontational, just to add a point to the discussion :).
 
There is also the almost inevitable first year bash. It is not unusual for the driver to make a mistake in the fist year. The best you can do is hope that it will be a small lesson, and make sure that your love one is well protected.

For my two penny worth there is no way that I will be buying my step-son a new car at 17, He can have a car that is safe, and while I will take his views into account, they will not always be taken into account! Have 5 years to go fortunately!

David
 
They have been to see the car and daughter was disappointed to see lots of scratches on this vehicle. There were also a few areas which had bare metal which stood out. No reports of ANY rust. :)

Thanks to modern technology I carried out a quick check and this car has a rock solid MOT history. It flew through its previous MOT at the local Ford Main Dealer and only had one advisory:

Test expiry date:02/11/2008Advisory Notice issuedOffside Front tyre worn close to the legal limit (4.1.D.1)

I will obviously be having a chat when they get home as it sounds quite a tidy car although what is 'a lot of scratches'


Regards
John
 
Are they looking at an 8 (!?) yr old car and expecting it to look like new?? You'd be surprised how good some of the 'smart repair' places are, my sister took her old Tigra to one & they did a great job.

Kate
 
They have been to see the car and daughter was disappointed to see lots of scratches on this vehicle. There were also a few areas which had bare metal which stood out. No reports of ANY rust. :)

I will obviously be having a chat when they get home as it sounds quite a tidy car although what is 'a lot of scratches'

Me thinks she may have had he heart set on it and was disapointed! Must be one of the first lessons taken at the Universtity of life!

Maybe she needs to look round a few car dealers and see what kind of condition she would be expecting to see for her price range, age etc! Then perhaps, she will not, either be as disapointed with that one, or maybe not set as high an expectation pghotographs and over enthusiastic write ups lead you into.

When does she take her test?, Is she expecting to use this to learn in as well? do you need it today?

As with anything, taking time and researching your prosective purchase is always worth the effort in the end!

Bit boring if you are not a car buff I should imagine!
 
How about this one then? Should be cheap to insure, 1.4 will be nippy enough, not too many miles and it's got a few toys like aircon (a must in the sweltering climes of the English Riviera, I'd have thought ;)). It's even a nice colour..

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-u...del=IBIZA&min_pr=500&max_pr=3000&max_mileage=

Cheers,

Gaz

Do they all have PAS - doesn't say? I'd say it's a must for all new drivers. Are those also aftermarket alloys which will up the insurance a lot
 
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