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Speed limits and maths

Through my rose tinted spectacles I feel we should all slow down, relax, be more polite to other road users and enjoy our journeys more. It's a crazy dream I know :)

Why assume that everyone will enjoy more a slow journey?

Why assume that just because a road user makes progress on the road that they will be discourtious to others?
 
Why assume that everyone will enjoy more a slow journey?

Why assume that just because a road user makes progress on the road that they will be discourtious to others?

It wasn't meant as a blanket assumption to cover all motorists, but directed at those motorists who; tailgate when the car in front is simply sticking to the speed limit, undertake on the motorway to make progress, fail to let cars pull out of a junction so they can simply be one car ahead. I think we all see such selfish actions every day that we can do without.
 
........... my point is that by educating road users that we will get better behaviour and an understanding that tailgating is no help to going faster, that by sitting in the lane 3 when the inside lanes are clear will encourage undertaking and blocking junctions is not permitted in the highway code.
 
I agree, education can help motoring behaviour. Though similar to being at school, some motorists want/can learn and others will not.
 
There has been much comment recently about 'unnecessary' enforcement of traffic regulations 'just to make money' and how the police 'should be solving real crimes'. This has divided forum members broadly into two camps:
  • those who want the police to stop harassing honest motorists and to concentrate on catching criminals
  • and those who think people should take responsibility for their own actions.
Rather than take sides, I would like to look at this from another angle.
Totally agree we should look at it from another angle,

We have a police officer that has never met the complainant, never probably seen them before, doesn't know them from Adam and has no preconceived opinion about them... so can we therefore assume that:

(a) The traffic officer stops every single car they see and harasses ALL drivers accusing all of them of speeding

(b) The driver drew attention to themselves and a diligent officer thought the driving was worthy of comment?

In life I tend to use my version of common sense and always believe there are two sides to every story.

(a) or (b)? You decide.

Some folks however have an agenda and the instant they see any adverse comments about the police we them see them letting rip.

My old sergeant always used to say, "You can tell a man his breath stinks, he has a pecka the size of a caterpillar, he has the IQ of a gnat, but woe betide anyone that dares to criticise a man's driving!"

We have recently had a thread where someone was prosecuted for exceeding a 40mph speed limit by just 5mph!

Cue the 'anti' brigade, cue the abuse of anyone that dared to say the driver deserved to be prosecuted.

How many of these 'anti' folks queried the fact that the driver actually stated the stretch of road was 'dangerous'? How many of these 'anti' folks think it correct to ALWAYS travel at the MAXIMUM speed legally allowed? How many have the engine of their car bouncing off the rev limiter? Have the volume of the radio set at maximum? Why oh why is it deemed right to always attempt to travel at the very maximum legal speed and then criticise folks if they might think it wrong to exceed this legal limit?

Have we noticed how these 'anti' folks tend to get personal and attack those that say we should take any punishment on the chin and not whinge? Am I correct in suggesting that those who say 'Take it on the chin' also admit they are not whiter than white; they admit to exceeding speed limits, but unfortunately these confessions are wasted. The 'anti' brigade have an agenda and will not listen to any reasoned debate.

Those that think the police should be doing anything and everything rather than stop them, really show their true colours, come out from behind the 'I'm speaking from personal experience' and offer a sensible alternative!!! Anyone can cry, whinge or complain, that is regularly demonstrated, but let us hear a constructive alternative.

We cannot in one breath say I am not 'anti' and then submit post after post slamming the police for acts or deeds that we disagree with. We are anti police and should accept it.

We then have threads where we say get rid of camera's and put more police on the roads........................... Guess what?

Others appear to want the cameras and also want more police on the roads!!!! Guess what? A driver admits to speeding on a road that he describes as dangerous, admits to being followed by the police without knowing he was followed and yet the 'anti' brigade rush to their defence. Thanks but no thanks, your idea of road safety is not the same as mine. Your idea of a safe driver is definitely not the same as mine.

I'm tired of the threads where drivers all claim to be perfect, they were not exceeding a limit, the officer was lying blah, blah, blah. One minute we want more police, we want the police to use discretion and perhaps tick us off instead of a booking, but by crikey when the chicken comes home to roost we had all best watch out.


Let's start with a basic premise: .
Good idea,

(a)The police are servants of the Crown employed to protect both life and property.

(b) The public highways are the employer of the Grim Reaper,

(c) Unfortunately we need these 'school teachers' to keep us in check, and those that do get a telling off are perhaps deserving of that ticking off.

Lets start with those suggestions.

Perhaps we should accept there are two sides to a yarn and perhaps that 5mph might be higher, or deserved! Unless we have a corroborated story then howabout we begin these yarns with, 'Once upoin a time.....'

On a very serious note,
For all you folks that enjoy moaning about speed limits then I would invite you all to take me out for a drive. My wife drives me with extreme care and consideration. She does not drive slowly, but does not exceed any speed limits. We are continually tooted at, harrassed, cars flashing headlights, carving us up and all because my wife adheres to speed limits, some of which are as low as 20mph.

Yes there are two sides to every story and if we don't want to be stopped, or reported then stick to the limits. If we enjoy breaking speed limits, then doing it quietly and if caught why not just take the punishment on the chin and not cry about it?

Regards
John the olde fogey
 
Listen if you are bored then go and rant somewhere else okay. I am entitled within the forum rules to state my personal experience of certain things i feel. Until now i do not recall a personal attack and if i cannot say how i feel about certain professions, then no one should say anything about mechanics, energy companies, dealerships, or tyre companies too. As people work in them.

hiding behind recovery agents that belong to or are in partnership with the police/ councils is just laughable.

I am sick and tired of listening to your (we are so pure in mind and spirit never make a mistake perfect unmarked police force).:mad: from you and the regular associates.
motorists are being hammered and the sooner you realise it and stop hiding behind your guise of road safety the better.

And if i have to say it , i will. I am sick of the holier than thou attitude.
maybe you do not realise i have met good and bad in every profession,police included as i have said before but if you give me personal attacks (pun intended) mate i will not be ready to let it go without charge.

And if you are not happy with the policies set by the state then do something about it verbally and vocally instead of hiding behind guidelines that enforce certain laws to the letter, then adjust others around their own time and pace.

I have never in the few months I have been posting on this site adopted an 'holier than thou' attitude; far from it actually, and if you look at some of my previous posts you will see I have also been critical of some policing methods and the rationale behind them. I have also been sympathetic to some forum members' brushes with the law. I also accept the police (and I include myself in that) do get it wrong at times, but I do know the vast majority of police officers (whether CID/Traffic/Dog/ARV's et-al) are hard-working, committed and their integrity is beyond question - despite working in quite often difficult and sometimes dangerous situations.
Trust me when I say myself and most, if not all, of my colleagues get frustrated with a lot of the policies that roll down from the law-makers for us to enforce but that is moving into political territory and that would be against forum rules for me to post about (see, I really am a conformist :) ).

I always try to offer objective opinion and experience on this forum - especially where I have first-hand and up to date knowledge. I would never intentionally be rude to you or anyone else but I do get frustrated and irked when some members just seem to want to 'police-bash' without listening to, or looking at, the views from the other side.

If I have offended you then it was unintentional but nonetheless please accept my apologies. We can agree to disagree on this and, I'm sure, other similar issues.
 
It wasn't meant as a blanket assumption to cover all motorists, but directed at those motorists who; tailgate when the car in front is simply sticking to the speed limit, undertake on the motorway to make progress, fail to let cars pull out of a junction so they can simply be one car ahead..

You mean BMW drivers..
 
Have we noticed how these 'anti' folks tend to get personal and attack those that say we should take any punishment on the chin and not whinge? Am I correct in suggesting that those who say 'Take it on the chin' also admit they are not whiter than white; they admit to exceeding speed limits, but unfortunately these confessions are wasted. The 'anti' brigade have an agenda and will not listen to any reasoned debate.

Those that think the police should be doing anything and everything rather than stop them, really show their true colours, come out from behind the 'I'm speaking from personal experience' and offer a sensible alternative!!! Anyone can cry, whinge or complain, that is regularly demonstrated, but let us hear a constructive alternative.

We cannot in one breath say I am not 'anti' and then submit post after post slamming the police for acts or deeds that we disagree with. We are anti police and should accept it.

We then have threads where we say get rid of camera's and put more police on the roads........................... Guess what?

Others appear to want the cameras and also want more police on the roads!!!! Guess what? A driver admits to speeding on a road that he describes as dangerous, admits to being followed by the police without knowing he was followed and yet the 'anti' brigade rush to their defence. Thanks but no thanks, your idea of road safety is not the same as mine. Your idea of a safe driver is definitely not the same as mine.

I'm tired of the threads where drivers all claim to be perfect, they were not exceeding a limit, the officer was lying blah, blah, blah. One minute we want more police, we want the police to use discretion and perhaps tick us off instead of a booking, but by crikey when the chicken comes home to roost we had all best watch out.

Thanks John.
You've saved me a lot of typing.
I've emboldened the bits that I have particularly noticed of late.

The posts have been nothing other than rants and cannot be used to create a sensible discussion because the posters are not interested in realistic discussion because that will undermine their political agenda.
I particularly note the personal attack part as this appears to be spreading to other topics where the poster is losing their 'battle', due to being inaccurate or their opinion not being accepted.
Some members obviously believe that this is their playground and all threads are a fight they must win.

Hey, ho..
 
I have never in the few months I have been posting on this site adopted an 'holier than thou' attitude; far from it actually, and if you look at some of my previous posts you will see I have also been critical of some policing methods and the rationale behind them. I have also been sympathetic to some forum members' brushes with the law. I also accept the police (and I include myself in that) do get it wrong at times, but I do know the vast majority of police officers (whether CID/Traffic/Dog/ARV's et-al) are hard-working, committed and their integrity is beyond question - despite working in quite often difficult and sometimes dangerous situations.
Trust me when I say myself and most, if not all, of my colleagues get frustrated with a lot of the policies that roll down from the law-makers for us to enforce but that is moving into political territory and that would be against forum rules for me to post about (see, I really am a conformist :) ).

I always try to offer objective opinion and experience on this forum - especially where I have first-hand and up to date knowledge. I would never intentionally be rude to you or anyone else but I do get frustrated and irked when some members just seem to want to 'police-bash' without listening to, or looking at, the views from the other side.

Just for the record, I have found myself looking forward to your 'insider view' on the various road/police matters that get raised on these boards. Much appreciated, as is your ability to acknowledge when the police get it wrong and the overall balance of your views. I entirely agree with your comments on policy (I have written on that elsewhere) and personally I feel that is often the real nub of the issue.
 
If we enjoy breaking speed limits, then doing it quietly and if caught why not just take the punishment on the chin and not cry about it?
Personally I don't enjoy breaking speed limits, but I do enjoy driving "briskly" in the right circumstances. Doing that quietly and in an appropriate place are essential parts of enjoying rather than regretting the experience.
 
A few minor points:
As a British citizen or person staying in this country, by implication, we agree to live by the laws of our land
As a driver we agree to adhere to the highway code, which includes speed limits
An 'honest driver' would surely never break these laws/codes?

I agree we are all or almost all likely to break these limits at times, but that is the individuals responsibility...

The long posts of discontent on these threads would be put to better use in writing to MPs/Queen/daytime TV (or even daily mail:crazy: ), to change laws or areas of enforcement; if the posters feel strongly enough. If not then accept them!
 
The long posts of discontent on these threads would be put to better use in writing to MPs/Queen/daytime TV (or even daily mail:crazy: ), to change laws or areas of enforcement; if the posters feel strongly enough. If not then accept them!

If this goes in the daily mail in will end up back here thus completing the circle, I suppose it like the snake eating its own tail,
 
I have never in the few months I have been posting on this site adopted an 'holier than thou' attitude; far from it actually, and if you look at some of my previous posts you will see I have also been critical of some policing methods and the rationale behind them.
If I have offended you then it was unintentional but nonetheless please accept my apologies. We can agree to disagree on this and, I'm sure, other similar issues.


To be honest, it was not you i was referring to and i respect your points and opinions and do not think you have any attitude.
It was just a bit of culmination from all other posts and certain members calling others police bashers on totally unrelated threads to speeding
To be honest any body speeding deserves the punishment they get all of the time, my only point is that i expect others forms of law breaking to be dealt with as well with the same enthusiasm.
now whether that can be done or not i do not know as i do not work with police

You have not offended me at all so no need for any apologies and i apologise if i have offended you as well o come across like that in any way.

Agreed the topic is getting tiresome and has been done to death, but as with the way things are, w see things from two different perspectives.

As for those asking for a constructive solution, well the case is clear to me.

Justice should not only be fair but should be seen to be fair and in all forms all of the time.
 
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The posts have been nothing other than rants and cannot be used to create a sensible discussion because the posters are not interested in realistic discussion because that will undermine their political agenda.

Rubbish. What political agenda? (other than the one you want to see)
 
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I thought politics was not allowed on the forum? anyway the pro- police brigade have offered no solution either as we all note that not everyone that has been done for speeding was actually speeding, so the "do not speed and nothing will happen" is not strictly speaking very accurate.

In donzas case i clearly stated i do not feel the crime fits the punishment. my own opinion and i stand by that, however we should be allowed to say what we want on the forum rules within the laws, without being castigated and shouted down by more experienced senior members, who have their go ranting at dealers and lawyers and other professionals and feel it okay to do so.

as a wise man said, beware of those who try to agree with everybody and everyone, beware those who wants to be everyones friend .


Then come the pro- brigade, who believe law enforcement is right all the time every time. (not you unmarked or CC) when clearly mistakes do happen.
i have held my hand up several times and said i have met very good cops and very bad ones too like any oher profession but the pro- brigade start thier regular monotonous balade of do not speed e.t.c as if all those done for speeding were all speeding

I do not live in their own part of the country so maybe it is roses all the way there but in here .

All those whinging for a better alternative, maybe if you take time to read the posts you will realise that a lot has been offered several times over, but in your haste to scream and shout the pro- brigade lines, you fail to see through the half of it.
One was offered for the ANPR case months earlier, until you started bleating about an uninsured driver going on to kill at a bus stop. as if insurance suddenly makes you immune from crashing a car at a bus stop.

could not care less about speed limits being 1 or 20mph as i will obey them but do care about having a car seized because some clerk forgot to type in letter R.
so offer your own alternative or let people say how they feel and you say yours without trying to term people bashers, or brigade because it is plainly clear we will never agree with on this issue.

Much like autos and manual boxes . funny we do not get called anti- autos when the debate comes to that topic. or anti- black in paint topics, or anti -a class , or anti other topics we differ in.
 
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There has been much comment recently about 'unnecessary' enforcement of traffic regulations 'just to make money' and how the police 'should be solving real crimes'. This has divided forum members broadly into two camps:
  • those who want the police to stop harassing honest motorists and to concentrate on catching criminals
  • and those who think people should take responsibility for their own actions.
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i think i will say it is those who want the police to continue harassing erring motorists as well as all other lowlifes in the city with the help of legislation and the justice system with the same enthusiasm.


Those who think we should be responsible for their own actions.



I clearly fall into both camps in this case.
 
I have never in the few months I have been posting on this site adopted an 'holier than thou' attitude; far from it actually, and if you look at some of my previous posts you will see I have also been critical of some policing methods and the rationale behind them. .

As i said earlier it was not referred to you (apologies if it came that way as it seemed) but at the general attack certain members seem to get as soon as they post something not in line with the regimes of all he who must be obeyed.
Policy i think is also the key factor but the way the justice system goes on as if there is no problem in the country makes everyone feel they are satisfied with the status quo and hence tend to be looked as part of the problem.

Not saying that is true, but it is perceived that way. I think we should just learn to accept that in a country this vast there will always be varying opinions.
We should just learn to be able to come on here and express it without fear of being jumped on by the pro- brigade
 
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