Can't stay away from the V8's Sean?
yes, I miss my V8
as little as possible, there's a credit crunch, don't you know
Swiss W124 500E - All new parts - £7950
yes, I miss my V8
as little as possible, there's a credit crunch, don't you know
talbir
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yes, I miss my V8
as little as possible, there's a credit crunch, don't you know
Credit crunch would be.a factor only if I was desperate to sell, which I ain't. Happy to keep this car forever, only desire I have is to have a different colour 500E (as both the Hammer and 500E are the same colour) and use a project 500E to be the recipient of the Renntech 6.3 engine/gearbox. The manual gearbox will require a dozen changes and I'd rather not muck around on a perfect car.
One can never have enough 500e's, so I'll keep it unless someone meets asking price
Talbir
Hello
Interested not to butybut just out of curiosity how much will the car be for sale.
Should we have a thread on guess the price?
I'm guessing the price range could be considerable? as what you think its worth and what we think its worth could vary somewhat
I would guess 10K
Interested not to butybut just out of curiosity how much will the car be for sale.
Should we have a thread on guess the price?
I'm guessing the price range could be considerable? as what you think its worth and what we think its worth could vary somewhat
I would guess 10K
I can confirm its a lovely car.. stunning looker and drives sweet..
talbir
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Hello
Interested not to butybut just out of curiosity how much will the car be for sale.
Should we have a thread on guess the price?
I'm guessing the price range could be considerable? as what you think its worth and what we think its worth could vary somewhat
I would guess 10K
Very close indeed, but not quite reflecting the rare colour and options and stunning condition...12k is my price.
cheer
talbir
talbir
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Not too bad then my guess.. and 12k I guess is your starting price
Good luck someone will get a well loved car
end price is 12k as well !
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end price is 12k as well !
I'm sure that it's a very nice car but that's too high a price for a 500E even if it is unique....
what a car is worth depends on how much the seller is willing to sell it for
Credit crunch would be.a factor only if I was desperate to sell, which I ain't.
One can never have enough 500e's, so I'll keep it unless someone meets asking price
Talbir
That's what I expected the reply to be
anyone who has seen your garage (I have) can see that!the credit crunch was a reference to me, not you
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what a car is worth depends on how much the seller is willing to sell it for
No, the same as everything else it depends on what a buyer is willing to pay.
talbir
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Really ? Where did you get your benchmark from to ascertain that this price is too high ? I can't see where you got your benchmark from as there are precious few 500Es that have a spec similar to this car.
Yes, you can pick up average 500Es for circa 6-7k, top end ones sell for 15-18k (check out the HairpinCompany.com). This is a top end 500E, black-on-black with true Recaro seats etc etc.
Saying 12k is too high for this car is like saying35k is too much for a Hammer. Really not sure how one benchmark's cars like these.
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It is a 'top end' car in your opinion.... however in my opinion it is average and hence worth less than your elevated figure. My benchmark is a price I am willing to pay for the vehicle being discussed. Regardless of what options are on it, they are simply window dressing. I agree there are few 500E's around which are of a good standard but most owners on here would have a high figure on their vehicles also
Proof will be in the pudding.
Piston heads / top marques and see how it goes.
To the right person its worth every penny, to others not worth anywhere near.... same with every car.
I think at the moment all 'normal' cars have lost so much we perhaps kid ourselfs that ours are worth more (just look at those auction prices to bring us all down to earth..). This however is a collectors / 3rd car / weekend car so will appeal to a different audiance I guess. Its not going to be a daily driver (imho).
The price is the same as the W124 estates some can be had for litterally hundreds where as others are 6..7..8K and they sell.
Piston heads / top marques and see how it goes.
To the right person its worth every penny, to others not worth anywhere near.... same with every car.
I think at the moment all 'normal' cars have lost so much we perhaps kid ourselfs that ours are worth more (just look at those auction prices to bring us all down to earth..). This however is a collectors / 3rd car / weekend car so will appeal to a different audiance I guess. Its not going to be a daily driver (imho).
The price is the same as the W124 estates some can be had for litterally hundreds where as others are 6..7..8K and they sell.
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There's no 'trade', 'book' or 'benchmark' prices really for rare cars such as these. They are special vehicles in that they are getting rarer and harder to find in good condition as the years pass - if anything their value should rise from now on, not decrease.
The kind of person who will buy a car such as Talbir's 500E isn't going to be concerned with cheap/tatty cars, or ones with undesirable colour schemes / minimal options etc.
No one is being forced to buy it. A price has been offered in order to end any speculation, I don't see the point in calling out (as a non-potential buyer..) that it is too high?
Will
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If I were in the market for a 500E I would buy the Swiss one rather than Talbir's. Even if they were the same price. But only because I have no taste and I prefer the wolf in sheep's pelt look rather than all those visible extras.
And anyway, what is that ribbon on that car, just doesn't look like standard equipment to me
And anyway, what is that ribbon on that car, just doesn't look like standard equipment to me
talbir
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If I were in the market for a 500E I would buy the Swiss one rather than Talbir's. Even if they were the same price. But only because I have no taste and I prefer the wolf in sheep's pelt look rather than all those visible extras.
And anyway, what is that ribbon on that car, just doesn't look like standard equipment to me
Ha ! Yes, the ribbon was there after my brother's best friends wedding - we used the car to drive the groom on the day. Totally outshone the Bride's Bentley Continental ! Although i made sure not to race that .....
The only visible extra on my car is the wheels - the rest of the car is totally stock.
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talbir
talbir
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If you want high figures, look a the two 500es for sale by the Hairpin company.
I still don't get your definition of benchmark - a benchmark is supposed to be a market figure for comparison, not one you choose/set yourself ? That defeats the objective of benchmarking.....
talbir
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Very nicely said, i was reluctant to quote the price for this very reason.
But whatever anyone thinks on price, there's no denying the beauty and allure of this black 500E. People on the roads and pavements literally stop in their tracks when they see it in motion.
It really is that gorgeous. I would say the same if it weren't my car and i still feel the same way about my old Silver 500E, now owned by Jay. Lucky git !
talbir
Talbir, Cars come and go in our lives, some, we are glad to see the back of, some, we regret selling, I am pointing this out because speaking from my own experiences, I have sold one or two cars that I will always regret selling, the main one being my 40,000 Mile E60 AMG Limited over 2 years ago and I still aint got over it :-( the reason I am saying this is that you have an amazing stable of cars that may not be to everyones taste, but they are your cars and you love em, good luck to you sir, but I feel that at some time later on in your life, you may just regret selling the 040 Black car, I would think that you do not need the money and being such a nice original tight car (which I am sure it is) it may become very difficult (or even impossible) to find another 040 car with similar spec and in similar condition too.
Please think long and hard about what I said before you decideto part with it, but I hope you keep it,
Regards,
Terry.
PS: I almost forgot.
I think you may have made a mistake in your post on the 1st or 2nd page, you pointed out that Swiss 500E's had taller gearing, giving a faster top end, well I think that may not be the case, I think this only applied to E60's and the gearing was actually shorter rather than longer which was the Swiss's idea because of their strict policy on speeding, their thinking being that the top end speed would not be as fast as with the standard gearing. This was the case with my second E60 (Swiss) which had higher revs than my 1st E60 (German) in top gear, but the acceleration of the Swiss car was much faster and 2 of the 3 E500E's I have owned, were Swiss supplied, but all 3 had the same ratio/gearing. I hope this helps, but this is my experience from owning swiss and german 500's and E60's.
Please think long and hard about what I said before you decideto part with it, but I hope you keep it,
Regards,
Terry.
PS: I almost forgot.
I think you may have made a mistake in your post on the 1st or 2nd page, you pointed out that Swiss 500E's had taller gearing, giving a faster top end, well I think that may not be the case, I think this only applied to E60's and the gearing was actually shorter rather than longer which was the Swiss's idea because of their strict policy on speeding, their thinking being that the top end speed would not be as fast as with the standard gearing. This was the case with my second E60 (Swiss) which had higher revs than my 1st E60 (German) in top gear, but the acceleration of the Swiss car was much faster and 2 of the 3 E500E's I have owned, were Swiss supplied, but all 3 had the same ratio/gearing. I hope this helps, but this is my experience from owning swiss and german 500's and E60's.
The problem with a 500E is that a good one will be very good, not cost you much and if you give it regular maintenance will keep going for many many miles.
A Tatty one will cost you a fortune.
I paid 9500 for mine over 2.5 years ago and have gone from 170,000km to 220,000km. What would I sell mine for now? Nothing less than 12K.
There is nothing special about it, I like the fact it's a 1991 car and a very early model, I know the suspension has been done, various bushes, little jobs which slowly add up and need doing for the car to feel great for another 10 years of driving.
If you drive a good condition 500E and a tired one then the difference is massive.
If you are happy with what you have bought though then who cares whether it cost you 7K or 12K.
If I was in the market for a car i'd have Talbirs in a shot (But change the wheels to standard) due to the fact it needs no work, get one which needs a job or two and the costs mount up fast if you do it properly.
Dave!
A Tatty one will cost you a fortune.
I paid 9500 for mine over 2.5 years ago and have gone from 170,000km to 220,000km. What would I sell mine for now? Nothing less than 12K.
There is nothing special about it, I like the fact it's a 1991 car and a very early model, I know the suspension has been done, various bushes, little jobs which slowly add up and need doing for the car to feel great for another 10 years of driving.
If you drive a good condition 500E and a tired one then the difference is massive.
If you are happy with what you have bought though then who cares whether it cost you 7K or 12K.
If I was in the market for a car i'd have Talbirs in a shot (But change the wheels to standard) due to the fact it needs no work, get one which needs a job or two and the costs mount up fast if you do it properly.
Dave!
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