The EV fact thread

[SmartAmg]

They will....especially because if the ICE ban delay.....but it wont stay that way for long....the nearer we get to 2035 the more people will go BEV....don't forget most people are not on car forums and really could not care less what powers their car....my dad is a typical example of a non car person whos going EV next time....he's a retired 801 year old.

Buddy el, Alfa your Dad's 801, good on him. And good on him for going EV.

 

[BTB 500]

So .... the underlying fact is that BEVs are not succeeding on their own merits - and giving a bit of regulatory respite to the ICEs further reinforces that lack of BEV success,

I would hope that the 5 year respite gives the manufacturers a chance to sort out their BEV path forward and fid a way to fill in the lower BEV model ranges with products that can create a positive BEV forward momentum.

Of course EVs have to pay road tax from next April (including the 5 year 'Expensive Car Supplement' for anything with a manufacturer's list price of over £40k ... virtually all BEVs?), which won't help.

 

[SmartAmg]

Of course EVs have to pay road tax from next April (including the 5 year 'Expensive Car Supplement' for anything with a manufacturer's list price of over £40k ... virtually all BEVs?), which won't help.

Should hopefully be the lowest band though.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Buddy el, Alfa your Dad's 801, good on him. And good on him for going EV.

LOL!!!....Lets hope he does not see this.....he's already not happy about being 80.....let alone 801!!!

 

[BTB 500]

Should hopefully be the lowest band though.

Yep I think £180 after the first year. But an extra £390 on top of that for 5 years if the list price was £40k or more. £570 a year is a big jump from £0 a year now.

 

[SmartAmg]

Yep I think £180 after the first year. But an extra £390 on top of that for 5 years if the list price was £40k or more. £570 a year is a big jump from £0 a year now.

Agreed £570 is a huge jump from nowt. The particular EV I'm interested in isn't over 40k new. So could quite easily live with £180 if it is that.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Should hopefully be the lowest band though.

There is no "lowest band".....only one tax band on cars newer than 2017......all cars are £180.....the only exceptions currently being EVs (which will follow suit next April as said above) and Alternative fuel vehicles include hybrids, bioethanol and liquid petroleum gas.....which save you a whole £10!...at £170.

 

[Dryce]

Of course EVs have to pay road tax from next April (including the 5 year 'Expensive Car Supplement' for anything with a manufacturer's list price of over £40k ... virtually all BEVs?), which won't help.

One of the odd aspects of the supplement is that I had expected manufacturers to hit a list of £39999 on a lot of ICE models - but when I've looked at cars over the last couple of years I've been surprised by the number just over £40K rather than just below.

 

[ALFAitalia]

But even when they were just below 40k it only took adding one or two extras.....many of which were deleted to keep the headline price under £40k.....and you start paying the extra VED again.

 

[PXW]

Of course EVs have to pay road tax from next April (including the 5 year 'Expensive Car Supplement' for anything with a manufacturer's list price of over £40k ... virtually all BEVs?), which won't help.

Indeed - and another example of fiscal drag. The supplement applied from 2017 but the £40,000 was set at its announcement in 2015. Per the BoE inflation calculator, that would have indexed to just under £53000 by now.

When I started work in 1984, there were tax/benefit rules that applied to “directors and higher paid employees”, where the latter were defined as those earning £8500 a year or more. That threshold was never increased, and eventually we just ended up with the situation where the rules applied to everyone.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

Old hat now are EV’s apparently

 

[Bellow]

Old hat now are EV’s apparently
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Yep, sugarcane for ethanol.
Brazilians aren't in a lather about having to electrify.

 

[SmartAmg]

There is no "lowest band".....only one tax band on cars newer than 2017......all cars are £180.....the only exceptions currently being EVs (which will follow suit next April as said above) and Alternative fuel vehicles include hybrids, bioethanol and liquid petroleum gas.....which save you a whole £10!...at £170.

Ah, that's good, so yep, could definitely live with that. £180

 

[Petrol Pete]

Let's face it , from what we can glean from the current situation regarding EV 'sales' no one in the UK their right mind would actually buy a new one with their own money. All the £39999.00/BIK/lease stuff is not what is going to save the planet.

My company cars days are long gone , but if you had offered me he benefits of driving a company EV back then I would have bit your hand off.

I might have said some 2000 post ago in this (my) thread that what will 'sort' EV usage will not be governments and tax incentives but cold hard economics.

EV's have a massive place in our future but a lot of lessons have to be learned before that future becomes the present.

 

[PXW]

Let's face it , from what we can glean from the current situation regarding EV 'sales' no one in the UK their right mind would actually buy a new one with their own money.

Errrrr….

 

[Petrol Pete]

Errrrr….

Errrr ...What ? You would be nut's to buy an EV in the UK today with your own cash .

 

[PXW]

Errrr ...What ? You would be nut's to buy an EV in the UK today with your own cash .

But plenty of us have…hence the “errr…” comment! You mentioned the “current situation on EV sales” (which are actually up), not buying today. Though tbf I would indeed buy today if either of mine needed replacement, and I’m not nuts (yet!).

 

[Petrol Pete]

Let us know how that works out for you ...

 

[PXW]

It makes perfect sense if the use case for EVs fits your lifestyle - which it does. And if as a private buyer you are happy to keep a car for a decade or so - which as a retiree I am. And if you are fortunate enough to have off street parking and solar - which I do. It is then very cheap motoring.

 

[davymead]

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