The EV fact thread

[MikeInWimbledon]

But apparently no-one wants EVs according to some of the posters on this thread, which are selling in their thousands every week.

Pardon? Seriously?

On target for 10,000 brand new EV's to be sold a week in the UK alone, with 800,000 new EV's being sold each week globally.

Plus 6,000 used EV's changing hands every week in 2025.

(Very conservative pessimistic numbers, of course because we don't really know how successful the new £20k EV's like the Renault 5 will be.)

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Right now Lister is a viable company. Any speculation as to its future success is just that - speculation. Right now, the only visible threat to Lister is if it is not permitted to continue to produce due to ZEV legislation. Who and on what grounds would argue against it being allowed to do that?

Lister could, of course, just move final vehicle assembly to the EU, to circumvent the 2035 deadline. All they have to do is volunteer and agree an emission reduction strategy.

CO₂ emission performance standards for cars and vans

Passenger cars and light commercial vehicles (vans) are respectively responsible for around 16% and 3% of total EU emissions of carbon dioxide (CO₂), the main greenhouse gas driving climate change.

climate.ec.europa.eu

 

[ALFAitalia]

Where does it say they can keep making ICE after 2035 there???

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Where does it say they can keep making ICE after 2035 there???

Where does it say they can't ?

 

[ALFAitalia]

True.....but its pretty vague and only seems to work for 12 months at a time.....at least that's how I read it.

 

[markjay]

After three and a half years of trouble-free motoring... the IONIQ 5 is - for the first time - back with the dealer for a warranty repair.

The symptoms are that charging stops sooner than expected, with the instrument cluster shows 100% battery. This is blatantly incorrect, as can be seen from the amount of kWh charged on the payment receipt from the public charger.

The Hyundai forums say that this is the result of cell imbalance. The battery may just need to be rebalanced, or the reason could be a faulty cell.

I am aware that the recommendation is to charge the car to 100% at least once a month, which will balance the cells, and I have been doing that ever since I got the car. So it's odd thar the car should have this problem (unless a cell has failed).

In the meantime, the dealer carried out a health check and sent me photos showing that the windscreen wipers need replacing, and the the rear discs also need replacing because they are... corroded (presumably due to low use).

The good news:

- Hyunday provide 5 years warranty for the car and 8 years warranty for the battery.

- My business lease includes 'full maintenance pack' which covers all services and all repairs, including windscreen wipers and brakes.

- At no point prior to - or during - the booking process has it been suggested to me that I may need to incur the cost of diagnostic 'if the issue turns out to be not covered by warranty'

I did enjoy the Mercedes much more than I do the Hyundai. But the extended warranty and no-BS service are certainly a plus for the Hyundai.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

After three and a half years of trouble-free motoring... the IONIQ 5 is - for the first time - back with the dealer for a warranty repair.

The symptoms are that charging stops sooner than expected, with the instrument cluster shows 100% battery. This is blatantly incorrect, as can be seen from the amount of kWh charged on the payment receipt from the public charger.

The Hyundai forums say that this is the result of cell imbalance. The battery may just need to be rebalanced, or the reason could be a faulty cell.

I am aware that the recommendation is to charge the car to 100% at least once a month, which will balance the cells, and I have been doing that ever since I got the car. So it's odd thar the car should have this problem (unless a cell has failed).

In the meantime, the dealer carried out a health check and sent me photos showing that the windscreen wipers need replacing, and the the rear discs also need replacing because they are... corroded (presumably due to low use).

The good news:

- Hyunday provide 5 years warranty for the car and 8 years warranty for the battery.

- My business lease includes 'full maintenance pack' which covers all services and all repairs, including windscreen wipers and brakes.

- At no point prior to - or during - the booking process has it been suggested to me that I may need to incur the cost of diagnostic 'if the issue turns out to be not covered by warranty'

I did enjoy the Mercedes much more than I do the Hyundai. But the extended warranty and no-BS service are certainly a plus for the Hyundai.

Do you not find it upsetting that there's no fettling to be done, apart from refreshing the windscreen wipers (are you sure they don't just need a good clean after 3 years), and replacing the disks? Where's the fun ?

Is this your original Ioniq 5? Or did you have to replace it at some stage because all EV's catch fire?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

True.....but its pretty vague and only seems to work for 12 months at a time.....at least that's how I read it.

I do have some experience or prejudice on this matter.

I've had to deal with EU legislation for just over 35 years now, and I can't remember any legislation being delivered on time, without insane, usually corrupt, compromise, and substantial necessary horse trading.

Unless you include Y2K planning. But TBH it wasn't really delivered on time, or to the proposed standards. Just incredibly over estimates. (Other people's money)

 

[Will]

After three and a half years of trouble-free motoring... the IONIQ 5 is - for the first time - back with the dealer for a warranty repair.

The symptoms are that charging stops sooner than expected, with the instrument cluster shows 100% battery. This is blatantly incorrect, as can be seen from the amount of kWh charged on the payment receipt from the public charger.

The Hyundai forums say that this is the result of cell imbalance. The battery may just need to be rebalanced, or the reason could be a faulty cell.

I am aware that the recommendation is to charge the car to 100% at least once a month, which will balance the cells, and I have been doing that ever since I got the car. So it's odd thar the car should have this problem (unless a cell has failed).

In the meantime, the dealer carried out a health check and sent me photos showing that the windscreen wipers need replacing, and the the rear discs also need replacing because they are... corroded (presumably due to low use).

The good news:

- Hyunday provide 5 years warranty for the car and 8 years warranty for the battery.

- My business lease includes 'full maintenance pack' which covers all services and all repairs, including windscreen wipers and brakes.

- At no point prior to - or during - the booking process has it been suggested to me that I may need to incur the cost of diagnostic 'if the issue turns out to be not covered by warranty'

I did enjoy the Mercedes much more than I do the Hyundai. But the extended warranty and no-BS service are certainly a plus for the Hyundai.

Interesting but not surprising for the wipers and rear discs at a main dealer, with such low mileage and age - presumably they were okay 6 months ago at MOT time?

 

[clk320x]

Interesting but not surprising for the wipers and rear discs at a main dealer, with such low mileage and age - presumably they were okay 6 months ago at MOT time?

Surprising about discs - my first Model S is with its new owner and now at approx 350k miles still on its original brakes.

 

[Will]

Surprising about discs - my first Model S is with its new owner and now at approx 350k miles still on its original brakes.

I think the dealer has commented they are corroded - not worn. Which unless it’s been parked up in a lake should clear off with use.

I think the problem is his car has only done about 2-3k miles a year and parked outside on the street?

Dealers like to sell consumables though at any opportunity though so I’d reserve a pinch of salt anyway!

 

[markjay]

Interesting but not surprising for the wipers and rear discs at a main dealer, with such low mileage and age - presumably they were okay 6 months ago at MOT time?

Yes they were...

I am not paying for either, so happy for them to do what they say needs to be done.

 

[markjay]

I think the problem is his car has only done about 2-3k miles a year and parked outside on the street?

^^^^^
This

 

[markjay]

Regarding the battery, if a cell indeed failed, then apparently they don't replace individual cells, instead they replace 'modules'. My car has 30 battery modules (no idea how many cells in a module). The point is that I have nothing to gain from having the entire battery pack replaced - because the car is on a lease - and I imagine that replacing the entire battery pack will take longer than just replacing one module. So hopefully they can replace just one module, and hopefully they have it in stock - assuming that the issue is indeed a cell failure, obviously.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Yes they were...
I am not paying for either, so happy for them to do what they say needs to be done.

Exactly, as usual with "main dealer Economics" it gets charged to the finance company, so the end client doesn't care.

Pretty much like my American friend who has a $10,000 injection because of a health problem every six weeks, but it just goes through the Employer Medical insurance. (Rest assured that's only a small part of her total annual treatment costs, being 60 and working professionally "kind of" five days a week)

 

[markjay]

Exactly, as usual with "main dealer Economics" it gets charged to the finance company, so the end client doesn't care.

I am not suggesting that these items do not need replacing. My point is that if I was to pay for these, I would have insisted on checking these myself before authorising the work. However, since I have nothing to gain either way, it would be a waste of my time going back to the dealer (one hour by train each way) just to check it.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Regarding the battery, if a cell indeed failed, then apparently they don't replace individual cells, instead they replace 'modules'. My car has 30 battery modules (no idea how many cells in a module). The point is that I have nothing to gain from having the entire battery pack replaced - because the car is on a lease - and I imagine that replacing the entire battery pack will take longer than just replacing one module. So hopefully they can replace just one module, and hopefully they have it in stock - assuming that the issue is indeed a cell failure, obviously.

Just think of it as a bunch of rechargeable duracells. It's more complicated than that, but not that much.

And when they replace that "module" they'll pass it to a recycler who will fix it, and then give it a second life as a charging / storage unit for a van depot, or anywhere else that wants a battery storage, or even for a secondhand Ioniq5 owner who wants a reconditioned pack for her Ioniq5

 

[markjay]

Just received an email from the Hyundai dealer - no, it's not about my car, it's just a marketing email. It says:

"EVERY BRAND NEW HYUNDAI AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO PURCHASE AT COST PRICE + £1"

Wow! If anyone is interested, PM me for the dealer's address

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I am not suggesting that these items do not need replacing. My point is that if I was to pay for these, I would have insisted on checking these myself before authorising the work. However, since I have nothing to gain either way, it would be a waste of my time going back to the dealer (one hour by train each way) just to check it.

Completely understood. I had the same issue when Stratstone Kings Cross hit me with a £3k bill in 1990 for a routine Jaag Sovereign service, when £3k was worth a bit more than it is today. I'm just saying it's how one industry profits from another. It's all about packaging "customer service"

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Just received an email from the Hyundai dealer - no, it's not about my car, it's just a marketing email. It says:
"EVERY BRAND NEW HYUNDAI AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO PURCHASE AT COST PRICE + £1"
Wow! If anyone is interested, PM me for the dealer's address

They get a volume discount, or kickback, but hey, it's the bottom line price to the client that matters, no matter what the "packaging."

In other news, Tesla have just dumped prices. Again. With new cheaper models on the way later this year.

After the S, 3, X, and Y.... the new models are to be called.....

The SS.