The EV fact thread

[Bellow]

Most modern windows have a "night vent" setting which means you can lock it with a half inch or so gap. Been like that on most windows for decades.

Not in my house - with the sole exception of the bathroom.

 

[Bellow]

This goes back to what I said earlier, i.e. circumstances matter. Some people will be able to charge using a granny cable, some won't.... it's pointless taking one extreme scenario and putting it up there as a reason to have - or to not have - an EVs.

True, but when throwing tens of thousands of pounds at an EV purchase, better to work out in advance that recharging as intended is actually possible.

 

[ALFAitalia]

I'm amazed so many people don't have outside normal 13 amp sockets....I have them front and rear....so much better than running extension leads all over the place. A few quid from B and Q.....piggy back them onto interior sockets through the wall (that don't have anything with a high load constantly plugged into them!)....job done. The back one is mainly just for the mower.....but the front one is used for all sorts of electric tools when playing with the cars....plus or course the hoover or jet-wash.

 

[BTB 500]

I did, which is why I said you were misquoting it when you said “Charging losses of up to 30% from a granny cable”

Translation:

"Charging losses from 10 to 30%
at the household socket (2.3 kW)"



So using a domestic socket to charge through a 'granny cable' results in losses of 10-30%. Hence the comment in the Fleet News article:

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Translation:

"Charging losses from 10 to 30%
at the household socket (2.3 kW)"

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So using a domestic socket to charge through a 'granny cable' results in losses of 10-30%. Hence the comment in the Fleet News article:

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Exactly. Deliberately misquoted as in the Remain campaign.

“The Bank of England has modelled the effect of Brexit and have discovered that, within a year, it could result in two million unemployed, a fall in house prices of up to 20%, and a massive increase in inflation and mortgage rates of interest.”

Whereas what the Bank of England had actually done is model three possible scenarios giving a range of outcomes, and the Remain campaign played on the worst possible outcome.

Did house prices collapse? Sadly they’re a third higher than they were at the time of the vote.

Did an extra two million become undmplpyed? No, sadly unemployment fell by a quarter since 2016

 

[BTB 500]

I'm amazed so many people don't have outside normal 13 amp sockets

I assume you mean weatherproof sockets - wouldn't recommend using standard ones! They can certainly be very handy, and aren't expensive. I've always had at least a couple, although the trend towards cordless tools & appliances probably reduces the need nowadays.

 

[Bellow]

Exactly. Deliberately misquoted as in the Remain campaign.

“The Bank of England has modelled the effect of Brexit and have discovered that, within a year, it could result in two million unemployed, a fall in house prices of up to 20%, and a massive increase in inflation and mortgage rates of interest.”

Whereas what the Bank of England had actually done is model three possible scenarios giving a range of outcomes, and the Remain campaign played on the worst possible outcome.

Did house prices collapse? Sadly they’re a third higher than they were at the time of the vote.

Did an extra two million become undmplpyed? No, sadly unemployment fell by a quarter since 2016

Electrical losses are real and measurable.

 

[BTB 500]

Exactly. Deliberately misquoted as in the Remain campaign.

“The Bank of England has modelled the effect of Brexit and have discovered that, within a year, it could result in two million unemployed, a fall in house prices of up to 20%, and a massive increase in inflation and mortgage rates of interest.”

Whereas what the Bank of England had actually done is model three possible scenarios giving a range of outcomes, and the Remain campaign played on the worst possible outcome.

I did say that 30% was a worst case figure:

Charging losses of up to 30% from a granny cable though, so in the worst case ...

Apologies if this wasn't clear. Of course the charging loss figures given by ADAC were based on measured data rather than being hypothetical 'could result in' scenarios coming from a modelling exercise.

As an aside if ICE cars lost 10-30% of the fuel you'd paid for while still at the pump this would probably be seen as outrageous!

 

[BTB 500]

And it's not just granny cables - over 20 kWh lost when charging a BMW iX from a 22 kW wall box under ideal conditions:

 

[Bellow]

And it's not just granny cables - over 20 kWh lost when charging a BMW iX from a 22 kW wall box under ideal conditions:


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And that is at 23C. Wonder what the losses would be here today at 4C (1C this morning, colder still during the night).

 

[ALFAitalia]

I assume you mean weatherproof sockets - wouldn't recommend using standard ones! They can certainly be very handy, and aren't expensive. I've always had at least a couple, although the trend towards cordless tools & appliances probably reduces the need nowadays.

Yes!....mine are like this....but the double version. I'm quite tempted to sink them into the wall.....they stick out a fair way....job for the summer.

 

[davymead]

It's fascinating scrolling through this nonsense and seeing how people still can't get their heads around how EV's are actually charged and used.

Nor that it's going to take decades for the transition to take place.

(40 million licensed cars on the road and new EV's being sold at the very gentle rate of 300,000 a year, rising to a very modest one in five of new sales in 2024. (2 million cars sold annually)

Of course that’s assuming somebody between now and 2035 doesn’t come up with a better solution to personal or business travel than some form of electric vehicle. Predictively pub chat these days seems to be about an alternative to the unsustainable costs of ‘Green Energy’, the fact Germany is seemingly returning towards coal again and on the QT the Americans on ‘Green’ Biden’s watch, are actually producing more oil than any country in history.
I read today that the European Commission's latest draft estimates needing to spend €1.5 trillion a year between 2031 and 2050 to meet targets.
The UK forked out £3.5bn on electricity from France, Norway, Belgium and the Netherlands last year, accounting for 12pc of net supply, according to research from London Stock Exchange (LSEG) Power Research.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

How do I secure the house at night if I have a 'granny cable' running out through an open window?

Don't use an open window.

Do you really not notice how these things are used in your neighbourhood?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The UK forked out £3.5bn on electricity from France, Norway, Belgium and the Netherlands last year, accounting for 12pc of net supply, according to research from London Stock Exchange (LSEG) Power Research.

Sigh

And how much did the UK save by buying power from France etc. as opposed to generating that energy itself ?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Of course that’s assuming somebody between now and 2035 doesn’t come up with a better solution to personal or business travel than some form of electric vehicle.

Have you not noticed how many people "work" from home, compared to 2019, (40% in total; 10% all the time; 30% some of the time)

How much business travel has decreased

And how many jobs continue to be created for home working?

Seen how empty the country's office blocks are? Noticed the decreased traffic on the roads?

The increase in cycling and e-bike usage?

How the average age to even pass the driving test is now 26 ?

Denial isn't only a river in Egypt.

But, rest assured, if there's one thing that everyone knows, it's that the EU never reaches its targets.

(Time to start a thread about the Paris Olympics: "It's going to be a bit shit, isn't it ?" (in the words of the Pub Landlord)

 

[Bellow]

Don't use an open window.

Then what - leave a door open? Wallop a hole in the wall? - landlord will love that.

Do you really not notice how these things are used in your neighbourhood?

No. For the very simple reason that in this rural 'neighbourhood' EVs are non-existent.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

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Electrical losses are real and measurable.

Exactly my point. And not 30%

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

As an aside if ICE cars lost 10-30% of the fuel you'd paid for while still at the pump this would probably be seen as outrageous!

Yes, it's outrageous that my 2 year old E55 returned only 8 mpg when I owned it.

People should be warned that an E55 has an mpg which can be as low as 8 mpg.

It's a fact.

 

[BTB 500]

It's a fact.

Ah but not an EV fact -

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Then what - leave a door open? Wallop a hole in the wall? - landlord will love that.

No. For the very simple reason that in this rural 'neighbourhood' EVs are non-existent.

There's no point in me telling you the obvious, because you just dismiss it as EVangelism

If there are no EV's in your area, why whine about them? There are only a million in the UK and, by definition, most of them are in the cities and urban areas. The other 39 million vehicles are ICE.