The EV fact thread

[markjay]

It's noticeable that charging sites seem to be everywhere now, unlike a year ago. They're just not difficult to find / see any more. And that's without using any App.

Now onto your Hyundai

Much as I hate EV's, at least the eight different models of EV I've driven so far,

the Ioniq 5 I still haven't tried, and generally seems the closest to my "old love" the SAAB 900 Turbo, from back in the day.

Will be interested to hear what you think is an improvement on the 5 , three years down the track. Will it be its cousin the Kia EV6 ?

The EV6 is the most impressive EV I've driven - very competent and intuitive - but, although it's mother thinks her little EV6 is beautiful, myself I'm not so sure.

If only MB made an EV that ....

The IONIQ 5 and the EV6 are near-identical, though the EV6 has a few modifications as it was released a few months after the IONIQ 5, such as full OTA.

In terms of development, future IONIQ 5 (and other Hyundai/Kia cars) will get a new infotainment system developed by NVIDIA, replacing the aging Gen5W system that was already long in the tooth when the IONIQ 5 was released back in early 2021.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

The IONIQ 5 and the EV6 are near-identical, though the EV6 has a few modifications as it was released a few months after the IONIQ 5, such as full OTA.

In terms of development, future IONIQ 5 (and other Hyundai/Kia cars) will get a new infotainment system developed by NVIDIA, replacing the aging Gen5W system that was already long in the tooth when the IONIQ 5 was released back in early 2021.

Which is fine, but is it a game changer if all you’re ever doing is running a podcast / Spotify / BBC Radio whatever * (delete as appropriate)?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Finished that for you!

You might very well think that. I couldn’t possibly comment.

(Although Cropley does mention “flattened potato.”)

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Returning to the world of the modern Cortina / Sierra / Mondeo / BMW 320d, it’s end of year Bonus time and someone’s still having problems with his $56 billion pay deal from five years ago.

Mr Musk works a 2 1/2 day week for Tesla.

Elon Musk sees $56bn Tesla pay deal cancelled in Delaware court

The court found the process of deciding Elon Musk's huge 2018 pay award was "deeply flawed".

www.bbc.com

 

[markjay]

Which is fine, but is it a game changer if all you’re ever doing is running a podcast / Spotify / BBC Radio whatever * (delete as appropriate)?

No, it is not. From a practical perspective, the main difference between the Hyundai IONIQ 5 and the Kia EV6 is the packaging - i.e. the body style and equipment levels available - but not the chassis, drivetrain, and tech.

 

[philnewmerc]

Absolutely. Just like mpg for a fossil fuel car. It’s an inaccurate number.

But whining that a granny cable isn’t a useful workaround to using a commercial charger or having a “proper” home charger “because of 30% energy loss” is more than silly.

Not as stupid as believing that all EV owners live in fear of “range” and remote commercial chargers that are always broken. But if it gives people an excuse to dismiss the deliberately planned, glacially slow introduction of new tech, why not?

Must rush. I’ve only got 100 miles of petrol in my car, so I need to plan a drive to a “petrol station” before I run out of fuel. Such a shame that I can’t just run a cable to it and have more than 250 miles of cheap fuel in it every morning when I set off.

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Nice Hopper.

Basically it seems one has to be organised to use an EV, unless you have a drive and always plug in when you get home, in which case it seems simple. For us atm though it'd be like remembering to take out the bins: sounds simple but somehow isn't Does make me wonder if house prices for those without drives will go down (relatively).

 

[philnewmerc]

relaxing immigration rules to bring in even more people from India, Asia and further afield.

That's a good thing, we should be open to the commonwealth: the least we can do after abandoning them for common market £££ in the 70s by the rightwing and going for full white immigration.

I shall now attempt a tenuous connection with EVs by talking about diesels . The green right (ie Tony Blair) encouraged diesel take up for co2 reduction even though it plainly would not work in reality (only on paper) and caused lung damage. Wonder what the EV intended (intended?) consequence is... Reliance on unfriendly China replacing reliance on friendly Saudi maybe. Absolute genius

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Nice Hopper.

Basically it seems one has to be organised to use an EV, unless you have a drive and always plug in when you get home, in which case it seems simple. For us atm though it'd be like remembering to take out the bins: sounds simple but somehow isn't Does make me wonder if house prices for those without drives will go down (relatively).

Why would you always plug it in when you get home? (The granny only charges at 5-10 miles/hour)

You never park anywhere else? Cook and the housemaid go out to buy all your food? You drive 250 miles a day?

You're hopping from the point that people can use a granny cable when away from a home, work or car park commercial charger. (When staying with a "friend" overnight, or in a home where you can't install a charger but need to top up)

Do you really not see cables running across pavements where you are?

They're all over crowded Sarf West London, where two million still won't buy you a driveway.

(And no, the Councils don't have a problem with Highways Act 1980

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I shall now attempt a tenuous connection with EVs by talking about diesels . The green right (ie Tony Blair) encouraged diesel take up for co2 reduction even though it plainly would not work in reality (only on paper) and caused lung damage. Wonder what the EV intended (intended?) consequence is... enius

No, the EU traffic light alliance pushed the pan-European transfer to diesel in the 1990's, pushing diesel car sales up from a fifth of the EU market to more than half.

The rise of diesel in Europe: the impact on health and pollution

In a bid to reduce CO2 emissions in the 90s, Europe backed a major switch from petrol to diesel cars but the result was a rise in deadly air pollution

www.theguardian.com

Europe's Dieselgate

EU central planners wanted to combat climate change—but their policies actually did more harm than good.

www.hoover.org

This wasn't unique to the UK, nor was it driven by the UK. It was driven by the Commission and the German / French car industry.

Even though it wouldn't work in reality - limited real world economy around cities, greater capital costs, greater maintenance costs, dubious emission savings, and a failure to get people to transition to smaller engines as envisaged by the bureaucrats.

The traffic light alliance (Red yellow green) is the same force that created the unrealistic deadlines for EV transition, and turned Germany into the worst performing major economy in the world in 2023.

 

[Mactech]

Indeed. There is no point lugging a great big battery around. Imho the sweetspot is probably a 40-50kwh battery in a car that is not a fat overweight lump.

What! Like a BMW i3 you mean?
I've just been to the local market town in mine (14 mile round trip) and I'm not rushing to plug it back in as the sun is not out here at the moment...
My car is not on the drive, but in the garage where it will get charged on a granny charger when I have some surplus solar energy...even in winter, and even if I live in a very rural area.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

What! Like a BMW i3 you mean?
I've just been to the local market town in mine (14 mile round trip) and I'm not rushing to plug it back in as the sun is not out here at the moment...
My car is not on the drive, but in the garage where it will get charged on a granny charger when I have some surplus solar energy...even in winter, and even if I live in a very rural area.

Or a £10k 150 mile range 2018 Leaf?

 

[philnewmerc]

Or a £10k 150 mile range 2018 Leaf?

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Who on earth would buy a Leaf over an i3? Someone who hates cars/style/pleasure but needs one I assume

 

[philnewmerc]

Why would you always plug it in when you get home? (The granny only charges at 5-10 miles/hour)

You never park anywhere else? Cook and the housemaid go out to buy all your food? You drive 250 miles a day?

You're hopping from the point that people can use a granny cable when away from a home, work or car park commercial charger. (When staying with a "friend" overnight, or in a home where you can't install a charger but need to top up)

Do you really not see cables running across pavements where you are?

They're all over crowded Sarf West London, where two million still won't buy you a driveway.

(And no, the Councils don't have a problem with Highways Act 1980

Well I suppose I'll find out eventually but it won't be at this house (no drive). There are a lot of EVs round here now (loads of white model Ys appeared in the last 6 months - looks like a row of melted fridge-freezers some days) and not a single one charges with a granny cable so they are surviving without that. If they charge at work for pennies/free it makes perfect sense. If they charge on the highway and don't save in fuel but save in BIC/company tax then it still makes sense - but for a private buyer using highway chargers?* Doesn't seem to make sense, yet...

*Yes I could roam around looking for a free supermarket charger like some kind of electronic tramp but I won't do, nor am I organised enough to either, i can't even remember bin day

 

[Mactech]

Who on earth would buy a Leaf over an i3? Someone who hates cars/style/pleasure but needs one I assume

Beyond beleaf !

 

[philnewmerc]

No, the EU traffic light alliance pushed the pan-European transfer to diesel in the 1990's, pushing diesel car sales up from a fifth of the EU market to more than half.

The rise of diesel in Europe: the impact on health and pollution

In a bid to reduce CO2 emissions in the 90s, Europe backed a major switch from petrol to diesel cars but the result was a rise in deadly air pollution

www.theguardian.com

Europe's Dieselgate

EU central planners wanted to combat climate change—but their policies actually did more harm than good.

www.hoover.org

This wasn't unique to the UK, nor was it driven by the UK. It was driven by the Commission and the German / French car industry.

Even though it wouldn't work in reality - limited real world economy around cities, greater capital costs, greater maintenance costs, dubious emission savings, and a failure to get people to transition to smaller engines as envisaged by the bureaucrats.

The traffic light alliance (Red yellow green) is the same force that created the unrealistic deadlines for EV transition, and turned Germany into the worst performing major economy in the world in 2023.

good link thanks.

"Japanese and American car makers backed research into hybrid and electric cars, but the European commission was lobbied strongly by big German car makers BMW, Volkswagen and Daimler, to incentivise diesel. A switch to diesel was said by the industry to be a cheap and fast way to reduce the carbon emissions that drive climate change."

"The subsequent EC 1998 Acea agreement with all European car makers was backed by then EU transport commissioner Neil Kinnock and UK environment secretary John Prescott. "

Backed by a man who wanted to keep coal and a old Jag driver. As I said, pure genius

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Who on earth would buy a Leaf over an i3? Someone who hates cars/style/pleasure but needs one I assume

Broadly yes, the same idiots that buy Ford, Vauxhall and Renault instead of a BMW 3 series

The Leaf has such a weird seating position IMHO, but at least the kids can get out of the back doors without the front door being opened and it does look more "conventional."

As you say, better to put down an extra £5k for something more interesting. Poor people make foolish choices.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

good link thanks.

"Japanese and American car makers backed research into hybrid and electric cars, but the European commission was lobbied strongly by big German car makers BMW, Volkswagen and Daimler, to incentivise diesel. A switch to diesel was said by the industry to be a cheap and fast way to reduce the carbon emissions that drive climate change."

"The subsequent EC 1998 Acea agreement with all European car makers was backed by then EU transport commissioner Neil Kinnock and UK environment secretary John Prescott. "

Backed by a man who wanted to keep coal and a old Jag driver. As I said, pure genius

To be fair, Neil Kinnock came from a career in Opposition politics, and had no understanding of science, technology, manufacturing or international industry.

As EU commissioner for transport he was more interested in public transport and roads, than the manufacturing industry itself.

Prescott? As Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Environment, Transport and the Regions (aka local government), it's unlikely that John read the papers, let alone "backed the initiative," during his first year running that "super department."

(Another reason that German & French car manufacturers wanted diesel was to create another barrier to entry for the Japanese & Americans whose cars were petrol. A bit like the EU specific tech requirements that are designed as a barrier to entry for non-Europeans: Euro NCAP, Lane Assist, speed advisors/restrictors, safety and EURO fuel standards)

 

[Connoisseur]

It's noticeable that charging sites seem to be everywhere now, unlike a year ago. They're just not difficult to find / see any more. And that's without using any App.

Now onto your Hyundai

Much as I hate EV's, at least the eight different models of EV I've driven so far,

the Ioniq 5 I still haven't tried, and generally seems the closest to my "old love" the SAAB 900 Turbo, from back in the day.

Will be interested to hear what you think is an improvement on the 5 , three years down the track. Will it be its cousin the Kia EV6 ?

The EV6 is the most impressive EV I've driven - very competent and intuitive - but, although it's mother thinks her little EV6 is beautiful, myself I'm not so sure.

If only MB made an EV that ....

We bought our EV6 for towing our ‘van’. Have owned ev of one kind or another for nearly 8 years now the EV6 is rwd single motor and tho’ not esp pretty is imho an effective and vfm ev car for everyday use with all the tech others offer. The 7yr warranty also stands it out from others.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Well I suppose I'll find out eventually but it won't be at this house (no drive). There are a lot of EVs round here now (loads of white model Ys appeared in the last 6 months - looks like a row of melted fridge-freezers some days) and not a single one charges with a granny cable so they are surviving without that.

Wow, you mean you can run an EV without a home charger? Gosh

Horrible things. Why would anyone want a vanilla ice cream block as a company car? With black leather interior (£1,000 extra for "white leather") Absurd

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

We bought our EV6 for towing our ‘van’. Have owned ev of one kind or another for nearly 8 years now the EV6 is rwd single motor and tho’ not esp pretty is imho an effective and vfm ev car for everyday use with all the tech others offer. The 7yr warranty also stands it out from others.

Did you look at the Genesis?