The EV fact thread

[markjay]

Tesla fjord crash passengers saved by floating sauna users

This article highlights a very interesting issue.

If it was a Ford Focus that drove into a Fjord in Norway, you'd never even it over hear about here in the UK.

But it's a Tesla... the name that evokes controversy and emotion. So everyone clicks on the link.

What makes it even more extreme is that nothing in this event has anything to do with the fact that it was a Tesla, or even that it was an EV.

One day psychologists looking back at our era call it 'The Tesla Syndrome'.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

This article highlights a very interesting issue.

If it was a Ford Focus that drove into a Fjord in Norway, you'd never even it over hear about here in the UK.

But it's a Tesla... the name that evokes controversy and emotion. So everyone clicks on the link.

What makes it even more extreme is that nothing in this event has anything to do with the fact that it was a Tesla, or even that it was an EV.

One day psychologists looking back at our era call it 'The Tesla Syndrome'.

Are you not overthinking it a wee bit?
Personally I think the point of sale is the fact that a floating sauna just happened to save the occupants regardless of the vehicle, hence the quote about warming them up in the sauna

 

[davymead]

Are you not overthinking it a wee bit?
Personally I think the point of sale is the fact that a floating sauna just happened to save the occupants regardless of the vehicle, hence the quote about warming them up in the sauna

Strangely I read the report earlier and was amused/intrigued by the fact the lucky and frozen vehicle occupants were warmed up beautifully by the time they reached the shore.
Tesla for me played an innocuous bit part.

 

[DaveE320CDI]

You only need to look at the Armas ferry that sails from Tenerife to La goma to see that we are completly over reacting to net zero when the Diesel ferry drops off school children etc at 0900 then sit anchored just outside port few hundred yards untill 17.00 for the return trip with diesel engines running all day i know this because we stay by the port on a regular basis, so rules for us and EU do what they like

 

[Steveml63]

Hi,
We are in India this week - staying in Kolkata.
Kolkata is a very communist part of India and always seem to lag behind places like Delhi & Mumbai.
However - we used Uber this week and the driver turned up at our hotel in a small Tata EV - photos below.
He told us that the company he drives for have bought 120 of these cars and that he charges his one at a charging station that has 100 charging stalls. Petrol & Diesel are relatively expensive compared with the UK - but he can charge his EV for a few pounds equivalent and get 250km range from a charge driving in Kolkata traffic.
If places like Kolkata in India can make EVs work - then countries like the UK, USA & Western Europe have no excuses!!!




Cheers
Steve

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Emirates safety video has had a section in it for a while telling passengers who lose their phone in their seat area not to move the seat and to call cabin crew to retrieve it. The fear is the phone and its battery may be damaged. (I suspect they're particularly worried mainly about passengers losing a phone in Business or First where the seats are more complicated and motorised).

BA Economy passengers are told this as well. Even in seats that barely move.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Hi,
We are in India this week - staying in Kolkata.
Kolkata is a very communist part of India and always seem to lag behind places like Delhi & Mumbai.
However - we used Uber this week and the driver turned up at our hotel in a small Tata EV - photos below.
He told us that the company he drives for have bought 120 of these cars and that he charges his one at a charging station that has 100 charging stalls. Petrol & Diesel are relatively expensive compared with the UK - but he can charge his EV for a few pounds equivalent and get 250km range from a charge driving in Kolkata traffic.
If places like Kolkata in India can make EVs work - then countries like the UK, USA & Western Europe have no excuses!!!

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Cheers
Steve

Not sure
It's easy to drive EV's around a crowded city,

but what happens when you drive into the hinterland of a sub-continent that doesn't have electricity in every home?

 

[markjay]

Not sure
It's easy to drive EV's around a crowded city,

but what happens when you drive into the hinterland of a sub-continent that doesn't have electricity in every home?

I think the obvious answer is that for businesses it's an easy decision, because they will have the infrastructure required to charge their vehicles. They know where their vehicles start their day, they know how and where the vehicle will be driven, where they end the day, and where they are parked overnight. In these circumstances, it's fairly easy to sort out the charging. In addition, when the vehicles only drive in town, the range will go up significantly (by up to 50% over WLTP).

The issue is mostly for individual private owners, who need their private car to have the versatility to be able to deal with a range of different driving types, some of which might be unexpected, including potential overnight stays away from home etc.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I think the obvious answer is that for businesses it's an easy decision, because they will have the infrastructure required to charge their vehicles. They know where their vehicles start their day, they know how and where the vehicle will be driven, where they end the day, and where they are parked overnight. In these circumstances, it's fairly easy to sort out the charging. In addition, when the vehicles only drive in town, the range will go up significantly (by up to 50% over WLTP).

The issue is mostly for individual private owners, who need their private car to have the versatility to be able to deal with a range of different driving types, some of which might be unexpected, including potential overnight stays away from home etc.

Exactly, hence my comment about saying if India can do it, Europe should be able to as well.

 

[Bellow]

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IF FOLKS WERE WARY OF EV BATTERY FIRES JUST WAIT TILL THEY GET A WIFF OF LIQUID AMMONIA!

Ammonia: general information

www.gov.uk

That's four of us now. Me, Richard Hammond, Toyota and MAN - that believe it isn't the ICE that is wrong but the fuel it's been compelled to burn so far.
Instead of choking off ICE, it needs development to maximise its suitability for other fuels. Eg, the need Toyota found for EGR and its method of obtaining it by deploying what hasn't worked at all well in 4T diesels - external plumbing that causes all sorts of problems. By contrast MAN with its 2T will merely have retained exhaust products from the previous cycle - no external pipe work required.
Ammonia appears suited to HCCI which has been very very difficult to implement in conventional 4T engines. HCCI's future is likely to be best achieved via free piston designs (the 2T cycle here isn't optional, it's mandatory). FP HCCI would circumvent the difficulty of establishing ignition and, the problems of high rate of pressure rise associated with ammonia (and hydrogen).
Given that ammonia is an easier storage and transport proposition than hydrogen, it could be the storage method for surplus renewably generated electricity and as the refuelling of cars with ammonia would be at centralised points akin to conventional filling stations, no need to upgrade the grid to a capability of recharging all EVs in domestic settings.
Focusing solely on EVs for road transportation is misguided.

 

[Petrol Pete]

Hi,
We are in India this week - staying in Kolkata.
Kolkata is a very communist part of India and always seem to lag behind places like Delhi & Mumbai.
However - we used Uber this week and the driver turned up at our hotel in a small Tata EV - photos below.
He told us that the company he drives for have bought 120 of these cars and that he charges his one at a charging station that has 100 charging stalls. Petrol & Diesel are relatively expensive compared with the UK - but he can charge his EV for a few pounds equivalent and get 250km range from a charge driving in Kolkata traffic.
If places like Kolkata in India can make EVs work - then countries like the UK, USA & Western Europe have no excuses!!!

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Cheers
Steve

It is not possible to compare the way India 'does business' and the way Europe and the USA operate . Especially when it come to health and safety regulations surrounding electricity...or any other industry.

At 'our' end the H&S will slow down construction while pushing up cost , in India , not so much.

 

[JHS]

Definitely not - in fact we get free fuel. The sun shines, the grass grows, they eat it, job done Once a year a local farmer cuts the end field for hay - we keep 75 bales for winter and he takes the rest as payment.

The steering & brakes can be pretty dodgy though.

And you can eat them. Can't do that with an EV.

 

[markjay]

That's four of us now. Me, Richard Hammond, Toyota and MAN - that believe it isn't the ICE that is wrong but the fuel it's been compelled to burn so far.
Instead of choking off ICE, it needs development to maximise its suitability for other fuels. Eg, the need Toyota found for EGR and its method of obtaining it by deploying what hasn't worked at all well in 4T diesels - external plumbing that causes all sorts of problems. By contrast MAN with its 2T will merely have retained exhaust products from the previous cycle - no external pipe work required.
Ammonia appears suited to HCCI which has been very very difficult to implement in conventional 4T engines. HCCI's future is likely to be best achieved via free piston designs (the 2T cycle here isn't optional, it's mandatory). FP HCCI would circumvent the difficulty of establishing ignition and, the problems of high rate of pressure rise associated with ammonia (and hydrogen).
Given that ammonia is an easier storage and transport proposition than hydrogen, it could be the storage method for surplus renewably generated electricity and as the refuelling of cars with ammonia would be at centralised points akin to conventional filling stations, no need to upgrade the grid to a capability of recharging all EVs in domestic settings.
Focusing solely on EVs for road transportation is misguided.

I think that there are two parallel discussions here.

The first is which is the best technology to help with our current issues.

The other is which technology will commercially dominate the market.

Unfortunately, the two are unrelated.... see the Betamax vs VHS saga of old.

 

[Bellow]

I think that there are two parallel discussions here.

The first is which is the best technology to help with our current issues.

The other is which technology will commercially dominate the market.

Unfortunately, the two are unrelated.... see the Betamax vs VHS saga of old.

Betamax vs VHs was about mere entertainment - which format when sat on our **** in front of a box. Energy security is in a different league. We can't afford to ignore valid alternatives. Or be too lazy to explore them.

 

[BTB 500]

And you can eat them. Can't do that with an EV.

Mmmm ... Findus lasagne

 

[Noitz]

The first is which is the best technology to help with our current issues.

Which particular current issues?

 

[markjay]

Which particular current issues?

Our insatiable appetite for travelling everywhere by our privately-owned personal mobility vehicles.

 

[Bellow]

Our insatiable appetite for travelling everywhere by our privately-owned personal mobility vehicles.

The necessity for travelling everywhere by our privately-owned personal mobility vehicles - because modern life is structured such that without them a person cannot fulfil all that is needed in a day.
Air transportation for mere pleasure however.... Yeah, MJ, that's you I'm addressing.

 

[Mactech]

Life is dangerous! What risks are we prepared to take?
Bentleys are normally quite safe, unless they are an EV one of course (!), or maybe like this one?

Watch: Lion filmed riding in open-top Bentley

Police in Thailand have arrested a woman following the incident in Pattaya.

www.bbc.co.uk

But.... ammonia simple engineer, what would I know?

 

[markjay]

The necessity for travelling everywhere by our privately-owned personal mobility vehicles - because modern life is structured such that without them a person cannot fulfil all that is needed in a day.
Air transportation for mere pleasure however.... Yeah, MJ, that's you I'm addressing.

My next incursion into the Continent is being planned as we speak, and I will be driving my EV (unless they ban them from the 'LeShuttle'), hence no air transportation involved.