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I do 300 miles most days without a coffee or meal break, or even a poop break (I like my own loo) but then I'm just abnormal apparently.

But I'm not a EV sceptic just a EV Van sceptic 🤪
Do you drive 100 miles to work and 100 miles back on top of the 2x 50 mile delivery rounds then? :P
 
Who honestly forgets ‘bin day’ on a regular basis? I’m sure you’ve tried to use this analogy several times now! :)

Do you forget to lock your car or put your shoes on or leave the house unlocked/windows open etc? :p

Most people do these things subconsciously, and as per many driving activities are carried out on autopilot.

I’d say, speaking for myself, it’s a pain when you have to go out of your way to get fuel. Eg fuel light comes on on way home but you can’t be bothered to stop or are busy/don’t have time etc. Monday morning you then need to drive to a petrol station when you’re undoubtedly busy as well and/or traffic is bad, queues at the garage etc.

Could have been topped up at home ready to go with no real drama. Unlike bin day, which is usually fixed, you can charge your car when it’s convenient at home - no drama :cool:

If you remember on auto-pilot which bin to put out on bin day, I salute you 🫡

When someone says my EV takes me from A to B and it told me where to stop for electrons and because I knew I was travelling far that day I told the charger to take the charge level up to 100% the night before and this saved me £x, there's a part of me that thinks, yes, that sounds sensible and is clearly the future. And there's a part of me that thinks good grief how dreary. But as I think clk320x is suggesting most people want a car to be safe and affordable (or demonstrate their wealth if they are a cretin) and trundle around the SE at no more than 40 mph so for them and EV is absolutely ideal, and probably sensible for the rest of us (to save CO2, cleaner air, etc). Although it is clearly daft to attach emotions to piston engines/cars in general, that's exactly what petrol heads (or gearheads) do and I am still struggling to see the enjoyment in EV ownership - cost saving, econess, serenity yes. But fun, exciting, grin inducing? Hmmmm... maybe the Taycan can?
 
If you remember on auto-pilot which bin to put out on bin day, I salute you 🫡

When someone says my EV takes me from A to B and it told me where to stop for electrons and because I knew I was travelling far that day I told the charger to take the charge level up to 100% the night before and this saved me £x, there's a part of me that thinks, yes, that sounds sensible and is clearly the future. And there's a part of me that thinks good grief how dreary. But as I think clk320x is suggesting most people want a car to be safe and affordable (or demonstrate their wealth if they are a cretin) and trundle around the SE at no more than 40 mph so for them and EV is absolutely ideal, and probably sensible for the rest of us (to save CO2, cleaner air, etc). Although it is clearly daft to attach emotions to piston engines/cars in general, that's exactly what petrol heads (or gearheads) do and I am still struggling to see the enjoyment in EV ownership - cost saving, econess, serenity yes. But fun, exciting, grin inducing? Hmmmm... maybe the Taycan can?
The acceleration puts a smile on my face every drive.
 
If you remember on auto-pilot which bin to put out on bin day, I salute you 🫡

When someone says my EV takes me from A to B and it told me where to stop for electrons and because I knew I was travelling far that day I told the charger to take the charge level up to 100% the night before and this saved me £x, there's a part of me that thinks, yes, that sounds sensible and is clearly the future. And there's a part of me that thinks good grief how dreary. But as I think clk320x is suggesting most people want a car to be safe and affordable (or demonstrate their wealth if they are a cretin) and trundle around the SE at no more than 40 mph so for them and EV is absolutely ideal, and probably sensible for the rest of us (to save CO2, cleaner air, etc). Although it is clearly daft to attach emotions to piston engines/cars in general, that's exactly what petrol heads (or gearheads) do and I am still struggling to see the enjoyment in EV ownership - cost saving, econess, serenity yes. But fun, exciting, grin inducing? Hmmmm... maybe the Taycan can?
But to question which bin it is would mean that you’ve not forgotten to do it?

It’s easy enough, generally the other one to the one that was emptied the week before or the one that’s full 😄

Not seeing a great analogy in weekly bin duties to plugging a cable in when needed as you disembark your vehicle though at whatever time of day or day of week that is.

I’m sure we all have our own routines and tasks that we do without giving them much thought and to me EV ownership would be just like that. Do you forget to charge your phone at night too? Or let your dog out, or brush your teeth or whatever? 😂

Sorry just my sense of ridicule as it seems a big fuss over nothing 😊
 
Some people on here complaining that ev's only having a 300 mile range, well if I drive my SL "spiritedly" I can also have only a 300 mile range and I'm sure some/most amg's will be the same.
 
When you realise the challenges in getting ICE on hydrogen to work you'll change your view.
Mercedes promised HCCI (much simpler than hydrogen ICE) 20+ years ago (DiesOtto) and still hasn't delivered.

Toyota have competed in a couple of 24 hour races with a hydrogen ICE Corolla:

 
Do you drive 100 miles to work and 100 miles back on top of the 2x 50 mile delivery rounds then? :p

I've not done any 2 van routes for ages, which suits me just fine. I've done 6 routes this week of 200 miles plus, my commute is 50 miles round trip plus pottering !

Last night the fuel light came on for the first time on my new to me rust bucket money pit youngtimer classic and I could not be ****d to go out of my way to fill up.

Oh how I sighed as I stared at the granny plug 18 inches away from my car as I pulled out of the garage at 4.00 am Sunday morning to find a petrol station that was actually open. Grrr perhaps EVs are not so bad 😁
 
I think my point is being missed as I was trying to be polite (see my thumbnail): EV benefits as advertised above ('I can charge overnight to 100% when I have a long distance to cover, car dictates where to stop to fill up most efficiently', etc) sound dreary to me personally, like hypermiling (but I can see the attraction, I'm not poo pooing it). As a 2nd car to just 'do transport' then absoboodlylutely yes, I get you 👍
 
With all these alleged plus points it genuinely makes you wonder why the masses have seemingly turned their backs on them.
Just saying.
Not sure that’s the case, are EVs not a growing trend over time?

Other than the anti-EV-no-matter-what brigade on here, I don’t see evidence that the masses have turned their back on them - other than the usual peaks and drops there seems to be more EVs, more charging networks and and fewer ICEs being sold year or year.

How many new petrol stations do you see being built compared to EV charging points? That should be a clue! :)
 
With all these alleged plus points it genuinely makes you wonder why the masses have seemingly turned their backs on them.
Just saying.
Much like all new tech is takes time to filter through to the ‘masses’ - similarly to OLED TVs etc…
 
With all these alleged plus points it genuinely makes you wonder why the masses have seemingly turned their backs on them.
Just saying.
Resistance to change, which is human nature. Ignorance, believing everything they read, believing the EV haters, most of which haven't even driven one, let alone owned one.
 
I'm still surprised that you don't know that a Tesla Model 3's range is either 344 or 421 miles, depending on whether you've specified standard or long range.

Must be a software bug in the Model 3 owned by clk320x's friend then (which said he'd need a charging stop to do 300 miles). Or maybe the car knows the difference between WLTP and real-world range.

More importantly we know that all new EV's are heading in the 300+ mile range direction.

Not fast enough though! Here's a list of ones with under half that range (real-world rather than WLTP):

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But what's really amazing how so many EV sceptics are doing 300 miles a day routinely. And without a coffee or meal break

Not sure whether I'm an EV sceptic but I do 360 miles every time I go to visit my mum in her care home. With my superhuman powers I can actually drive 180 miles without having to stop for coffee or food.

Mrs BTB on the other hand can't cover more than about 10 miles without coffee. She has a nice insulated travel mug that fits the cup-holder though, so she doesn't find it necessary to stop all the time either :)
 
Must be a software bug in the Model 3 owned by clk320x's friend then (which said he'd need a charging stop to do 300 miles). Or maybe the car knows the difference between WLTP and real-world range.
No, it’s more that you want to arrive at the destination with a decent % of battery left…

Realistically with traffic, you’d probably get there with more % than predicted anyway… M1 average speed check from MK to Luton etc…

Unless of course you’re one of the people who’d managed to average 80 mph on that route. ;)
 
No, it’s more that you want to arrive at the destination with a decent % of battery left…

Realistically with traffic, you’d probably get there with more % than predicted anyway…

The independent EV Database (link above) gives a real world range of 260 miles for the Model 3, or 310 miles for the Long Range version. Presumably less at genuine motorway speed though.
 
The independent EV Database (link above) gives a real world range of 260 miles for the Model 3, or 310 miles for the Long Range version. Presumably less at genuine motorway speed though.

Which world? What ambient temperature? What type of roads?

The good thing about WLTP figures is that they are comparable between different make and models of EVs, unlike 'real world' figures which depend on what the motor journalist that wrote the article decided arbitrarily to be 'real world'.
 
Here are some facts, from today's journey to North London:

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- Ambient temperature 11⁰

- Average speed 17 mph (mixture of slow moving traffic and 50mph A roads)

- Total 'real world' mileage (for the given conditions) from a 77kWh battery 315 miles.

(My very early model has a smaller 74kWh battery, but this is rare and the majority of IONIQ 5s will have the standard 77kWh battery)

Totally at random, these are today's figures from my drive home. I just came back. And BTW, I had the heater on, the heated steering wheel on, and the heated passenger seat on max. The car was set (as it always is) to 'Normal' mode - not to Eco.



The WLTP figures for a 77kWh IONIQ 5 RWD is............. (wait for it.....)...... 315 miles.
 
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Which world? What ambient temperature? What type of roads?

No idea, ask them!



The good thing about WLTP figures is that they are comparable between different make and models of EVs

Absolutely, just like the official MPG figures for ICE. But neither are actually achievable on the road, most of the time.
 

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