The EV fact thread

[markjay]

BTW, slow moving traffic means lots of regen braking.

 

[markjay]

More facts.... This is where it is now:

This works out as a range of 285 miles on a full charge. At 11⁰, with the heaters on. 'Real life' figure.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Must be a software bug in the Model 3 owned by clk320x's friend then (which said he'd need a charging stop to do 300 miles). Or maybe the car knows the difference between WLTP and real-world range.



Not fast enough though! Here's a list of ones with under half that range (real-world rather than WLTP):

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EV Database

Range of electric vehicles cheatsheet. Quick reference for all plug-in hybrid en full electric cars.

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Not sure whether I'm an EV sceptic but I do 360 miles every time I go to visit my mum in her care home. With my superhuman powers I can actually drive 180 miles without having to stop for coffee or food.

Mrs BTB on the other hand can't cover more than about 10 miles without coffee. She has a nice insulated travel mug that fits the cup-holder though, so she doesn't find it necessary to stop all the time either

As i said:

"More importantly we know that all new EV's are heading in the 300+ mile range direction."

(in other news, my first portable computer had a stonking 20mb of storage. My MacBook Air I'm using now, which costs less than my 1985 machine, has 128,000mb of storage. Technology moves on)

I did NOT say that small City cars, convertibles, and vans launched a few years ago are already doing 300+ miles. As you know, the typical MINI owner does less than 100 miles a week. My chum the MINI convertible owner does 2k a year. There's a trade off in lightness and cost that makes the smaller battery car more attractive.

But, fair point, if you buy markjay's Ioniq 5 off him at the end of his lease, it will take you a good 20 minutes to charge it from 10-80% on a high speed charger when you're on your regular 300 mile journey. Twenty minutes is a HUGE amount of time out of a seven hour drive. (Probably smarter just to charge it for 5 minutes to add 50 miles worth of range, which is all you'd actually need.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Here are some facts, from today's journey to North London:

- Ambient temperature 11⁰

- Average speed 17 mph (mixture of slow moving traffic and 50mph A roads)

- Total 'real world' mileage (for the given conditions) from a 77kWh battery 315 miles.

(My very early model has a smaller 74kWh battery, but this is rare and the majority of IONIQ 5s will have the standard 77kWh battery)

Totally at random, these are today's figures from my drive home. I just came back. And BTW, I had the heater on, the heated steering wheel on, and the heated passenger seat on max. The car was set (as it always is) to 'Normal' mode - not to Eco.



The WLTP figures for a 77kWh IONIQ 5 RWD is............. (wait for it.....)...... 315 miles.

145 pages later we have some EV facts!

 

[Deleted member 55947]

And BTW, I had the heater on, the heated steering wheel on, and the heated passenger seat on max. The car was set (as it always is) to 'Normal' mode - not to Eco.

It was 11degrees ! Southern Softie

 

[poormansporsche]

In your private car? Or in the company's work van?

Combo of both without any form of break but I do appreciate that this is not like the majority of people and in no way detracts from the merits of EVs.


But Mark for your info I subcontract for Amazon at a brand new custom built depot only 15 miles outside the M25 and it's a completely different world to inside the M25. It pretty much covers the whole of Kent. I believe there are only around 20 Amazon liveried vans all of which are Ice vans, the majority of work is done by us subcontractors. Despite being a brand new build and so near to the metropolis there are no EV vans whatsoever and no charging points that I've seen. I'm making a big assumption that Amazon know what they are doing . Although unused at this particular time, they have built a 3 level car park on site which I can only assume is in readiness for 2030 when the mandatory BEV roll out happens and all of the illegal immigrant subcontractors and me are outed and replaced with employed BEV van drivers and the car park is used as a mass charging station (seems to serve no purpose otherwise ????)

This was obviously designed before Luton happened , oopsy

 

[ChipChop]

With all these alleged plus points it genuinely makes you wonder why the masses have seemingly turned their backs on them.
Just saying.

All down to consumer ignorance apparently. The key to not being ignorant is to be in receipt of BiK tax breaks.

 

[clk320x]

All down to consumer ignorance apparently. The key to not being ignorant is to be in receipt of BiK tax breaks.

On the EV group I’m on a large amount of people buy out of choice rather than for BIK savings.

 

[clk320x]

I’m doing a road trip to Norway in my Tesla soon, I’ll report back with how I found it.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

I’m doing a road trip to Norway in my Tesla soon, I’ll report back with how I found it.

Excellent. I’d love to road trip through Europe heading north but never have - have a great time

 

[BTB 500]

But, fair point, if you buy markjay's Ioniq 5 off him at the end of his lease, it will take you a good 20 minutes to charge it from 10-80% on a high speed charger when you're on your regular 300 mile journey. Twenty minutes is a HUGE amount of time out of a seven hour drive.

I thought you were first on the list? It's all yours ... a 285 mile range at under 20 mph with loads of regen isn't enough for me

300 miles in 7 hours is only 43 mph ... probably about right for an EV with "coffee" stops along the way, but I normally average a bit over 50 in an ICE (from the West Midlands to Surrey).

A 20 minute delay is definitely long enough to be annoying, even on a drive half as long (you'd presumably only need to stop on the way back).

 

[clk320x]

I thought you were first on the list? It's all yours ... a 285 mile range at under 20 mph with loads of regen isn't enough for me

300 miles in 7 hours is only 43 mph ... probably about right for an EV with "coffee" stops along the way, but I normally average a bit over 50 in an ICE (from the West Midlands to Surrey).

A 20 minute delay is definitely long enough to be annoying, even on a drive half as long (you'd presumably only need to stop on the way back).

Looks like you’re in luck, you’d even save the 10 min trip to fill up with diesel - I know how annoying those few minutes can be.

This is accounting for the current temps etc… obviously in summer it would be far better.

 

[philnewmerc]

My understanding, from EV owners on forums, is very very roughly:
% of wltp range in mild weather:
100, town driving
67% in mixed driving
50% on motorway at normal 70-80 mph speed
(But who runs an EV close to zero before their destination?)

 

[ToeKnee]

I’m doing a road trip to Norway in my Tesla soon, I’ll report back with how I found it.

Head towards Denmark and keep on going......

 

[philnewmerc]

I’m doing a road trip to Norway in my Tesla soon, I’ll report back with how I found it.

Sounds both a lovely trip and an interesting experiment for us luddites . (As long as your cruise control is not set to 55 - 65 as is usual EV behaviour on UK motorways.)

 

[PXW]

My understanding, from EV owners on forums, is very very roughly:
% of wltp range in mild weather:
100, town driving
67% in mixed driving
50% on motorway at normal 70-80 mph speed
(But who runs an EV close to zero before their destination?)

Strangely I find the opposite - my town driving tends to be very short journeys so the BMS doesn’t have time to bring the battery to optimum temperature, so the watts/mile is higher - maybe 280/300. On a long motorway run the opposite applies - the car battery easily gets to temperature and then I see about 220 watts/mile, at normal (ie legal!) motorway speeds, which is about 330 miles in my Tesla. Less in the winter, largely because of wetter roads, which significantly increase consumption on all types of vehicles, but I can still easily see a range of 260-275 motorway miles - and that’s not hypermiling, or freezing, and I still have the headlights on when it’s dark.

But overall, in 4.5 years of just having EVs, I’ve genuinely found no issue at all. There have been journeys when I’ve stopped to fill up, usually just following what the car suggests. But the vast majority of my charging time (yes, I know I’m fortunate to have my own drive and charger) takes none of my time. Over the course of a year, I probably spend less time waiting for my EV to charge while on a journey than I used to spend at petrol stations (back in my days working for an oil company, we used to estimate that the average stop to fill up an ICE vehicle was between 11 and 13 minutes including the time to queue and pay).

 

[clk320x]

Sounds both a lovely trip and an interesting experiment for us luddites . (As long as your cruise control is not set to 55 - 65 as is usual EV behaviour on UK motorways.)

I will be doing the max legal speed when safe to do so. Whilst on the ‘Autobahn’ I will of course put my foot down if suitable.

 

[markjay]

...A 20 minute delay is definitely long enough to be annoying, even on a drive half as long (you'd presumably only need to stop on the way back).

Annoying, certainly. But is it a price too high to pay for not spreading toxic fumes into the air we breathe?

 

[markjay]

I will be doing the max legal speed when safe to do so. Whilst on the ‘Autobahn’ I will of course put my foot down if suitable.

I am planning on driving at Motorway speeds throughout and trust the SatNav to guide me to the charging stops as needed.

 

[Noitz]

...and both require messing about with a long, heavy, rubbery thing which connects to your car.

However, one is infinitely quicker and more reliable than the other. Enter stage left, 'splash & dash'!