The EV fact thread

[Will]

It all sounds a bit ‘Bristol’ to me.

An interesting company no doubt, but the target customer base I would have thought would be very small - even Aston Martin have been struggling for years, and that’s nothing to do with the impending changes is it? Likewise TVR a while back.

I reckon the target customer is a rare breed and likely getting smaller as the years go by - in other words the writing was on the wall before any uncertainty in 2030.

IMHO of course!

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Mercedes-Benz Unimog - Lister Classics

If you don’t buy it, and the zombie apocalypse happens, then you’ll only have yourself to blame.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Sorry...but regardless of what i think about the new car ICE ban I think they can't have one rule for one and one for another. Why should they keep making cars that polute when others can't? I think that they should only allow be allowed to build ICE cars if the big boys are.... even if only in limited numbers.

 

[SpikyMikey]

If you don’t buy it, and the zombie apocalypse happens, then you’ll only have yourself to blame.

If some of my customers are anything to go by, the zombies are already amongst us.

 

[Steveml63]

It confirms that the legal position is currently that small manufacturers are exempt.

As they are on a number of elements of manufacturing regulations

Its fair to say that legislation may change. For example when nuclear powered cars become commonplace, and when drones are used to deliver commuters into cities.

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Deliver commuters by drone you say?
How about this Xpeng X2 flying taxi that is on display in their Dubai showroom.
It was tested in Dubai in 2022 and apparently may come into service next year - as a flying taxi!

XPENG - Official Website | XPENG Motors – XPENG (Global)

Welcome to the official website of XPENG Motors. Discover our newest models, customize your smart e-vehicle and drive today the car of tomorrow.

www.xpeng.com

Cheers
Steve

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Deliver commuters by drone you say?
How about this Xpeng X2 flying taxi that is on display in their Dubai showroom.
It was tested in Dubai in 2022 and apparently may come into service next year - as a flying taxi!

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XPENG - Official Website | XPENG Motors – XPENG (Global)

Welcome to the official website of XPENG Motors. Discover our newest models, customize your smart e-vehicle and drive today the car of tomorrow.

www.xpeng.com

Cheers
Steve

Exactly. “We’ve” been discussing these suckers being just about ready for nearly a decade now.

How hard could it be?

(Forty years on from Robert Maxwell commuting by helicopter every day to “Maxwell House.”)

 

[SpikyMikey]

Mercedes-Benz Unimog - Lister Classics

I particularly like the tyre pressure label on Dymo Tape...remember that?

 

[SpikyMikey]

Deliver commuters by drone you say?
How about this Xpeng X2 flying taxi that is on display in their Dubai showroom.
It was tested in Dubai in 2022 and apparently may come into service next year - as a flying taxi!

View attachment 167237View attachment 167238View attachment 167239

XPENG - Official Website | XPENG Motors – XPENG (Global)

Welcome to the official website of XPENG Motors. Discover our newest models, customize your smart e-vehicle and drive today the car of tomorrow.

www.xpeng.com

Cheers
Steve

@ToeKnee. Not much of a step up from the Mondeo

 

[markjay]

It all sounds a bit ‘Bristol’ to me...

Indeed. I love Bristol cars. A true Gentleman's car. But their customer base aged and eventually passed away, and the company passed away with them...

 

[Dryce]

Indeed. I love Bristol cars. A true Gentleman's car.

The spirit of LJK Setright lives on.

 

[190]

The spirit of LJK Setright lives on.

Like I suspect some others here, I have a collection of old car magazines. Without a doubt the ones I will never part with are old CAR magazines to which LJK was contributor. I've lost count of how many times I've read them. Currently reading one from 1992 in which amongst other topics, LJK holds forth on his beloved Honda's. LJK liked exquisite engineering whether it was old or new and though He's been dead 20 years, his writing is still relevant today.

 

[ToeKnee]

@ToeKnee. Not much of a step up from the Mondeo

It'd certainly save me getting stuck on either the M1 or A46! Or both as happened today!

 

[markjay]

Like I suspect some others here, I have a collection of old car magazines. Without a doubt the ones I will never part with are old CAR magazines to which LJK was contributor. I've lost count of how many times I've read them. Currently reading one from 1992 in which amongst other topics, LJK holds forth on his beloved Honda's. LJK liked exquisite engineering whether it was old or new and though He's been dead 20 years, his writing is still relevant today.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/8353041555/

 

[Bellow]

Deliver commuters by drone you say?
How about this Xpeng X2 flying taxi that is on display in their Dubai showroom.
It was tested in Dubai in 2022 and apparently may come into service next year - as a flying taxi!

View attachment 167237View attachment 167238View attachment 167239

XPENG - Official Website | XPENG Motors – XPENG (Global)

Welcome to the official website of XPENG Motors. Discover our newest models, customize your smart e-vehicle and drive today the car of tomorrow.

www.xpeng.com

Cheers
Steve

Pass me the soma please...

 

[Bellow]

It all sounds a bit ‘Bristol’ to me.

An interesting company no doubt, but the target customer base I would have thought would be very small - even Aston Martin have been struggling for years, and that’s nothing to do with the impending changes is it? Likewise TVR a while back.

I reckon the target customer is a rare breed and likely getting smaller as the years go by - in other words the writing was on the wall before any uncertainty in 2030.

IMHO of course!

And that, is the basis of its argument for exemption. Few cars used sparingly, their contribution to CO2 emissions is miniscule.
If they are going to fail, let it be due to lack of custom - not legislation that in this case will reduce CO2 by meaningless amounts but will kill off a viable employing business with a solid motorsport heritage that adds lustre to Britain's motor racing credentials.

 

[Will]

And that, is the basis of its argument for exemption. Few cars used sparingly, their contribution to CO2 emissions is miniscule.
If they are going to fail, let it be due to lack of custom - not legislation that in this case will reduce CO2 by meaningless amounts but will kill off a viable employing business with a solid motorsport heritage that adds lustre to Britain's motor racing credentials.

I’m not sure if you understood my post - I’m not arguing for or against exemption, but you might well find a company such as Lister is so limited in the market appeal that regardless of any exemptions they may not be a viable business looking forwards anyway.

It’s a bit like pubs blaming the smoking ban for lack of trade or something - times change, you have to adapt in business or you won’t be successful.

There’s only a handful of customers for the sorts of vehicles they produce. And as mentioned, other niche companies such as Bristol and TVR had to go long before emissions regs were even thought of.

In other words - perhaps don’t blame others for lack of success. I can’t imagine the cars selling well regardless (anyone know how many they sold last year?) - and from my understanding nothing had changed at present.

But apparently no-one wants EVs according to some of the posters on this thread, which are selling in their thousands every week.

 

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[Bellow]

I’m not sure if you understood my post - I’m not arguing for or against exemption, but you might well find a company such as Lister is so limited in the market appeal that regardless of any exemptions they may not be a viable business looking forwards anyway.

It’s a bit like pubs blaming the smoking ban for lack of trade or something - times change, you have to adapt in business or you won’t be successful.

There’s only a handful of customers for the sorts of vehicles they produce. And as mentioned, other niche companies such as Bristol and TVR had to go long before emissions regs were even thought of.

In other words - perhaps don’t blame others for lack of success. I can’t imagine the cars selling well regardless (anyone know how many they sold last year?) - and from my understanding nothing had changed at present.

But apparently no-one wants EVs according to some of the posters on this thread, which are selling in their thousands every week.

Did you even read the article? In it, the point is made that the company is profitable (with zero debt to boot). Aston, TVR, Bristol are different. They are/were trying to make cars in the modern idiom. Lister's core market is historic replicas. As such, they have no real competition. All Lister are seeking is clarification on whether they will be able to continue in that endeavour but like so many aspects of this ill-thought out electrification project genuine concerns are batted away as frivolous with the now usual 'get with the times' bollox.
Anyway, your main point was covered by me:

If they are going to fail, let it be due to lack of custom

Let the market decide.

 

[Will]

Did you even read the article? In it, the point is made that the company is profitable (with zero debt to boot). Aston, TVR, Bristol are different. They are/were trying to make cars in the modern idiom. Lister's core market is historic replicas. As such, they have no real competition. All Lister are seeking is clarification on whether they will be able to continue in that endeavour but like so many aspects of this ill-thought out electrification project genuine concerns are batted away as frivolous with the now usual 'get with the times' bollox.
Anyway, your main point was covered by me:


Let the market decide.

Of course I read the article - but I simply question whether or not they would continue successfully as they are regardless - what is the appetite for these vehicles - how many do they sell?

 

[Bellow]

Of course I read the article - but I simply question whether or not they would continue successfully as they are regardless - what is the appetite for these vehicles - how many do they sell?

Right now Lister is a viable company. Any speculation as to its future success is just that - speculation. Right now, the only visible threat to Lister is if it is not permitted to continue to produce due to ZEV legislation. Who and on what grounds would argue against it being allowed to do that?