The EV fact thread

[Bobby Dazzler]

I very rarely tend to walk (or stand) on roads with heavy congestion and queuing traffic, however last night I had to walk past cars parked outside a school, with parents inside waiting for their children to return from a school trip.

It was late and relatively cold and so every single car I passed was parked with their engine running. The air was cold and still and so everything coming out the tailpipes lingered in the air, and it was a very very pleasant experience.

I’ve never experienced anything like it before, and it reminded me why reducing tailpipes emissions is a good thing. Those fortunate to not have to deal with it find it easy to be dismissive, but it must be awful to deal with it regularly.

 

[markjay]

I very rarely tend to walk (or stand) on roads with heavy congestion and queuing traffic, however last night I had to walk past cars parked outside a school, with parents inside waiting for their children to return from a school trip.

It was late and relatively cold and so every single car I passed was parked with their engine running. The air was cold and still and so everything coming out the tailpipes lingered in the air, and it was a very very pleasant experience.

I’ve never experienced anything like it before, and it reminded me why reducing tailpipes emissions is a good thing. Those fortunate to not have to deal with it find it easy to be dismissive, but it must be awful to deal with it regularly.

I happened to walk along the Regent's canal yesterday, and the poignant stench from the boats' exhaust pipes made me wonder: are narrow boats exempt from emissions regulations?

 

[ChipChop]

I very rarely tend to walk (or stand) on roads with heavy congestion and queuing traffic, however last night I had to walk past cars parked outside a school, with parents inside waiting for their children to return from a school trip.

It was late and relatively cold and so every single car I passed was parked with their engine running. The air was cold and still and so everything coming out the tailpipes lingered in the air, and it was a very very pleasant experience.

I’ve never experienced anything like it before, and it reminded me why reducing tailpipes emissions is a good thing. Those fortunate to not have to deal with it find it easy to be dismissive, but it must be awful to deal with it regularly.

You may have never experienced anything like this before because leaving your engine idling while stationary is against the law in the UK. Section 42 road traffic act 1988.

 

[markjay]

You may have never experienced anything like this before because leaving your engine idling while stationary is against the law in the UK. Section 42 road traffic act 1988.

I wonder how many tickets have actually been issued for this offence since 1988...

 

[SmartAmg]

You may have never experienced anything like this before because leaving your engine idling while stationary is against the law in the UK. Section 42 road traffic act 1988.

Thought that was only if the car/van was unattended? Could be wrong though.

 

[SmartAmg]

I wonder how many tickets have actually been issued for this offence since 1988...

Very few, I would imagine.

 

[markjay]

Thought that was only if the car/van was unattended? Could be wrong though.

Rule 123 of the Highway Code: “you MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road.”

 

[SmartAmg]

Rule 123 of the Highway Code: “you MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road.”

I can certainly understand the unattended bit. But how do you define, unnecessary?
Bet no one's been done for that last one.

 

[markjay]

I can certainly understand the unattended bit. But how do you define, unnecessary?
Bet no one's been done for that last one.

Like this (for example):

.... last night I had to walk past cars parked outside a school, with parents inside waiting for their children to return from a school trip.

It was late and relatively cold and so every single car I passed was parked with their engine running...

 

[SmartAmg]

Like this (for example):

Fair enough. I'd still have a little bet, no
one's ever been done. Unless of course somebody on here knows different.

 

[markjay]

Fair enough. I'd still have a little bet, no
one's ever been done. Unless of course somebody on here knows different.

The most likely scenario is that the driver will be approached by a traffic warden, who will warn him/her that the engine must be switched off, at which point most drivers will oblige. A ticket will only be issued in extreme circumstances, if at all.

 

[poormansporsche]

Fair enough. I'd still have a little bet, no
one's ever been done. Unless of course somebody on here knows different.

I'd wager that on a sub zero day, a copper, freezing cold, dissatisfied with his life, doshing a few tickets out.........

 

[190]

It was late and relatively cold and so every single car I passed was parked with their engine running. The air was cold and still and so everything coming out the tailpipes lingered in the air, and it was a very very pleasant experience.

When I used to take my granddaughter to school there was a Bob the builder type in a monster truck that was always parked up right close to the entrance gates where the school asked them not to park and always with the engine running winter or summer while hundreds of little kids and babies in push chairs at about the same level of his exhaust pipe passed by. He'd driven a distance to school that he could have walked in 8 minutes. Was he thick, ignorant or just didn't care, I never knew but he disgusted me.

The very best day was when a group of more enlightened parents who had had enough, illegally blocked the short entrance road to the school to prevent the ignorant and lazy parents from gaining access. They got a good cheer from me.

 

[SpikyMikey]

The most likely scenario is that the driver will be approached by a traffic warden, who will warn him/her that the engine must be switched off, at which point most drivers will oblige. A ticket will only be issued in extreme circumstances, if at all.

Aha, so no worries in our local area; the authority has no wardens as it can't afford them.

 

[SmartAmg]

I'd wager that on a sub zero day, a copper, freezing cold, dissatisfied with his life, doshing a few tickets out.........

Nah, not havin it.

 

[SmartAmg]

Was he thick, ignorant or just didn't care, I never knew but he disgusted

All of the above! And more probably.

The very best day was when a group of more enlightened parents who had had enough, illegally blocked the short entrance road to the school to prevent the ignorant and lazy parents from gaining access. They got a good cheer from me.

Brilliant!

 

[poormansporsche]

Nah, not havin it.

Our work vans have engine powered refrigeration units. Due to the delivery "slot" way we work there is a lot of sitting about with the engine running. It is part of my Contract that due care and attention must be given when idling. If it wasn't a "thing" my company wouldn't bother including it (and enforcing it with disciplinary measures). I get up at 3.45am and generally start half an hour early so I can get where I need to be and have a sleep for a hour or so. It's not hard to check the sat nav to identify a out of the way place to stop that isn't going to piss off the locals.

Just manners really and not all of our drivers are considerate ......

 

[ChipChop]

A primary school local to me has signs up reminding parents not to idle their engines/ break the law while waiting for their little dears. Common sense really outside a school.

 

[BTB 500]

Just think of it as a bunch of rechargeable duracells. It's more complicated than that, but not that much.

And when they replace that "module" they'll pass it to a recycler who will fix it, and then give it a second life as a charging / storage unit for a van depot, or anywhere else that wants a battery storage, or even for a secondhand Ioniq5 owner who wants a reconditioned pack for her Ioniq5

As previously mentioned though, the cells in a module (likely the entire pack) will all have come from the same manufacturer at exactly the same time ... so once one fails there's a reasonable chance that others won't be far behind. 'Fixing' by finding and replacing individual cell(s) isn't a great idea anyway because new ones will have a different internal resistance to the others (due to different age and number of cycles), so there will be a more frequent need for balancing right from the start.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

As previously mentioned though, the cells in a module (likely the entire pack) will all have come from the same manufacturer at exactly the same time ... so once one fails there's a reasonable chance that others won't be far behind. 'Fixing' by finding and replacing individual cell(s) isn't a great idea anyway because new ones will have a different internal resistance to the others (due to different age and number of cycles), so there will be a more frequent need for balancing right from the start.

You should mention that to the battery recyclers who have started up all over the world.

Does the same logic apply to faulty engines, gearboxes and starter motors? If one element's failed, the whole thing's is faulty so shouldn't be reconditioned?

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