The EV fact thread

[MikeInWimbledon]

I've just had a look at similar Golf GTis and TSis and there's not a big percentage difference between them and GTEs and GTDs as far as I can see

That's interesting. Back in 2020, I compared well specified 2018 five door GTI's with GTE's. Cars which had been roughly £35k in 2018.

By 2020 GTE's were already consistently well below the GTI.

(That said, a GTE has only 70% the boot of a GTE, so that ruled it out for many users, including me. (270 vs 380 litres)

Looking again today, a 2018 GTI on 35-40k miles can be bought for around £22k, five grand more than a GTE at around £17k

Volkswagen Golf 7 GTI review (2012-2020) – is the hot hatch stalwart still the one to beat? | Evo

VW Golf GTE long-term review: the 6 month verdict

Here's a typical but higher spec GTE Advance against a GTI

 

[philnewmerc]

That's interesting. Back in 2020, I compared well specified 2018 five door GTI's with GTE's. Cars which had been roughly £35k in 2018.

By 2020 GTE's were already consistently well below the GTI.

(That said, a GTE has only 70% the boot of a GTE, so that ruled it out for many users, including me. (270 vs 380 litres)

Looking again today, a 2018 GTI on 35-40k miles can be bought for around £22k, five grand more than a GTE at around £17k

Volkswagen Golf 7 GTI review (2012-2020) – is the hot hatch stalwart still the one to beat? | Evo

VW Golf GTE long-term review: the 6 month verdict

Here's a typical but higher spec GTE Advance against a GTI

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In my mind comparing GTD and GTE is the realistic comparison and there is no difference in depreciation there. They both are holding roughly 1/2 value at 5 years.

Whereas GTI is a bit more sought after and has no alternative.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

In my mind comparing GTD and GTE is the realistic comparison and there is no difference in depreciation there. They both are holding roughly 1/2 value at 5 years.

Whereas GTI is a bit more sought after and has no alternative.

Ah, I misunderstood your original comment.

I thought you mentioned the GTI and TSI's. Yes diesel and hybrid Golfs have both had a kicking, having halved in value.

It's the petrol Golfs that have better residuals: like like £12k for the £18k 1.0 TSI, £17k for a £28k 1.5 TS, £22k for the £35k GTI and £24k for the £36k Golf R

 

[ALFAitalia]

New tax for "heavy cars" starts in France next year.....because obviously heavy cars produce more carbon than a lighter one with the same engine. It wont initially apply to EVs but will a bit latter becuase heavy EVs still waste more energy (and therefore create more carbon if not run on renewable electricity.....most leccy still isn't) than a light one....the limit is 1800kg......many EVs (and cars like the latest heavy weight C63) are well over that. Wonder how long before someone things is a good idea to copy that here? At least it might make manufacturers consider weight a bit more....something that seems to have been largely forgotten recently. Weight is the biggest enemy of a good handling car.

France set to lower weight tax threshold for new gas-guzzling vehicles

However, electric cars will be exempt from the charge

www.connexionfrance.com

 

[markjay]

New tax for "heavy cars" starts in France next year.....because obviously heavy cars produce more carbon than a lighter one with the same engine. It wont initially apply to EVs but will a bit latter becuase heavy EVs still waste more energy (and therefore create more carbon if not run on renewable electricity.....most leccy still isn't) than a light one....the limit is 1800kg......many EVs (and cars like the latest heavy weight C63) are well over that. Wonder how long before someone things is a good idea to copy that here? At least it might make manufacturers consider weight a bit more....something that seems to have been largely forgotten recently. Weight is the biggest enemy of a good handling car.

France set to lower weight tax threshold for new gas-guzzling vehicles

However, electric cars will be exempt from the charge

www.connexionfrance.com

I drive and EV, but I do agree with fair taxation on EVs (which isn't the case now).

That been said, I am not sure about taxing cars by weight, because this will strongly discriminate against tradesmen and builders etc driving vans and pickup trucks.

I hope that there will be an exemption for LGVs and/or legitimate business use.

I say this because I don't think that taxing the economy is ever a good idea, and even more so when it comes to taxing small businesses and the self-employed. Totally counterproductive.

Without going too much into politics, if you create an environment where people who work for their living can keep much of their earnings in their pockets, you encourage people to work, and small businesses will also be creating jobs in the community. With more people in gainful employment, the government will then need less money for spending on social welfare benefits, and will therefore not need the additional income from taxation. It's a chicken-and-egg situation, but you have to start somewhere.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

New tax for "heavy cars" starts in France next year.....because obviously heavy cars produce more carbon than a lighter one with the same engine. It wont initially apply to EVs but will a bit latter becuase heavy EVs still waste more energy (and therefore create more carbon if not run on renewable electricity.....most leccy still isn't) than a light one....the limit is 1800kg......many EVs (and cars like the latest heavy weight C63) are well over that. Wonder how long before someone things is a good idea to copy that here? At least it might make manufacturers consider weight a bit more....something that seems to have been largely forgotten recently. Weight is the biggest enemy of a good handling car.

France set to lower weight tax threshold for new gas-guzzling vehicles

However, electric cars will be exempt from the charge

www.connexionfrance.com

Heavier cars do, of course, produce more tyre pollution within cities on both acceleration and braking.

Prioritise tackling toxic emissions from tyres, urge Imperial experts | Imperial News | Imperial College London

That said, this is another form of greenwashed taxation. How do you slip in new taxes to buy more votes? You justify them with a Green agenda

 

[ALFAitalia]

You leave your car on overnight charging only to go out in the morning to find the cable cut at both ends and missing!!
The link below is old.....but its still happening as a customer of mine recently found out!!! Bit of a risk to health cutting it though.......mine you that does not stop the scumbags nicking 700v DC (much worse than AC) railway cable!

EV charging cables becoming must-have items for scrap metal thieves

Electric vehicle drivers are being advised to lock away charging cables as the metal in them becomes increasingly sought after by thieves. According to r

evfleetworld.co.uk

 

[SmartAmg]

Bit of a risk to health cutting it though......

Hopefully they get electrocuted,
job done! End of! Sounds good to me.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I hope that there will be an exemption for LGVs and/or legitimate business use.

Which is, of course, how the American fashion for SUV's, Minivans and leisure trucks took off.

The Fed put gas-guzzler taxes on passenger vehicles that didn't achieve economy targets (starting around 26 Imperial mpg), so Trucks, SUV's and Minivans became a routine suburban replacement for the station wagon and saloon. (These groups simply didn't exist back in 1978 when the legislation was passed)

 

[190]

New tax for "heavy cars" starts in France next year.....because obviously heavy cars produce more carbon than a lighter one with the same engine. It wont initially apply to EVs but will a bit latter becuase heavy EVs still waste more energy (and therefore create more carbon if not run on renewable electricity.....most leccy still isn't) than a light one....the limit is 1800kg......many EVs (and cars like the latest heavy weight C63) are well over that. Wonder how long before someone things is a good idea to copy that here? At least it might make manufacturers consider weight a bit more....something that seems to have been largely forgotten recently. Weight is the biggest enemy of a good handling car.

France set to lower weight tax threshold for new gas-guzzling vehicles

However, electric cars will be exempt from the charge

www.connexionfrance.com

Something needed to be done to try and halt the relentless increase in size and weight of private cars that most of the time transport one person. Regardless of the power source, heavy cars are responsible for higher levels of manufacturing emissions so it's right that it should be applied to EV's as well, possibly with a slightly higher weight limit.

This is what I call a sensible green policy that is arguably fair without being prescriptive on ICE or EV.

 

[markjay]

Something needed to be done to try and halt the relentless increase in size and weight of private cars that most of the time transport one person. Regardless of the power source, heavy cars are responsible for higher levels of manufacturing emissions so it's right that it should be applied to EV's as well, possibly with a slightly higher weight limit.

This is what I call a sensible green policy that is arguably fair without being prescriptive on ICE or EV.

While I can see why governments target the so-called "Chelsea Tractors" (G-Wagon and Range Rovers used by wealthy mums to drive the kids to school etc), as I said I am concerned that this will have a detrimental effect on the local economy because it will impose a tax burden on pickups and vans, an no posh mum will be taking the kids to school in one of these anyway.

 

[pioneercollector]

The first of our newly ordered Nissan Townstars has been delivered, these are to replace the 9 year old eNV200 vans that i purchased when the EV thing was new.
I can report that the level of 'goodies' included with the not inconsequential purchase price ( Around £45k ) is very good..... the range though not so much. Have we only managed to eek out another 80 mile range out of this style of vehicle in 9 years!!! In fact it is nearer to 60 miles more rather than 80 .....

I really do not think that EV is the answer to everyone's commitments for work - For us it works, we have survived the past 9 years with the fleet with a realistic range of 80 miles ( Which has never altered in all of that time! )

Oh and we had a 12 hour power outage at work on Tuesday ..... that was fun, thank god we purchased a new DEISEL luton van a few months ago.

The van itself is lovely to drive so overall i am impressed with it.

Just reporting what i have first hand knowledge of ..... also the old e NV200 vans carry more due to the design of the rear.

 

[W1ghty]

Another one of these threads

When you said that on page 1 buddy you didn’t know we would be at 45 pages today

 

[clk320x]

When you said that on page 1 buddy you didn’t know we would be at 45 pages today

I expected nothing less

 

[SmartAmg]

Something needed to be done to try and halt the relentless increase in size and weight of private cars that most of the time transport one person.

Totally agree, we should all be driving one of these.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Totally agree, we should all be driving one of these.
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Now, now ! A three wheeler Peel isn't for everyone. Ever seen a Reliant roll ?

But a one owner Porker for £50k? That's a different thing.

 

[zipdip]

Interesting story about goods movement by ev…. Schneider hits 1 million emission-free miles using Freightliner eCascadia electric trucks

Schnieider say that one of the problems was finding sites that had the power to charge these trucks,the trucks they have will be day cabs and do journeys up to 60 miles they are learning that if the routes have hills the range drops down,and so the contracts that they have used on these trucks are high volume to big customers within the 60 mile range and these trucks have been successful in filling those contracts ..
I would imagine turnover of drivers will be high because that sort of work will only suit a driver who wants to use the same road to the same customer every day

 

[markjay]

Now, now ! A three wheeler Peel isn't for everyone. Ever seen a Reliant roll ?

But a one owner Porker for £50k? That's a different thing.

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That's good value indeed. What was the RRP new? Over £100K? If so then the car shedding 50% over two years means someone will bag a bargain.

Especially if the second owner does low annual mileage and keeps the car for 3 years, allowing the currently high mileage to average-out over time.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

That's good value indeed. What was the RRP new? Over £100K? If so then the car shedding 50% over two years means someone will bag a bargain.

Especially if the second owner does low annual mileage and keeps the car for 3 years, allowing the currently high mileage to average-out over time.

Call it £90k with the usual extras, but heading towards six figures.

911 price when new. Boxster used price at 3 years old.


New Porsche Taycan 4S 2021 review | Auto Express

 

[markjay]

Call it £90k with the usual extras, but heading towards six figures.

911 price when new. Boxster used price at 3 years old.


New Porsche Taycan 4S 2021 review | Auto Express

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So it a high-miler and it lost around 40% of its value over the first two years. Is this abnormal for this market segment? I really don't know.