The UK Politics & Brexit Thread

[markjay]

30 days too long and weeks too late

Israel Gaza Lebanon live updates: US gives Israel 30 days to boost aid to Gaza or risk some military aid cuts

It comes as the UN says the situation in Gaza is "desperate", as it delivers the first food aid allowed into the area in more than two weeks.

www.bbc.co.uk

Agreed. However.... sadly, most of the aid will probably not get to those who need it.

There have been reports of Hamas gunmen taking control of aid convoys as soon as they enter Gaza, then move the aid to their own warehouses.

The aid is then distributed to Hamas members. The rest is being sold on the black market to fund Hamas' activities.

Very sad. Hopefully, it's only marginal, but I fear that the aid might not help. Still, it's always a good idea to deliver more aid.

 

[MSG2004]

Either career politicians or businessmen trying to make a small fortune from the large fortune that they made before entering politics.

For the life of me I don’t understand how people earning a fortune, like Cameron, Osborne, Johnson, Hunt or Sunak can waste so much time on politics when they could be making real money and be giving a fair old chunk of time and money to charity without the hassle

People like politicians like the ones you mentioned above and others want the prestige
that comes with being a top-flight minister and their aim is usually PM.

As poor old Harry, (Princess Kate's brother-in-law) has found out to his cost - he is a multi-millionaire,
his father a King, his grandma was the queen - yet, in London's traffic, he was to sit in a traffic
jam just like the plebs around him. - so the prestige is missing, big time

Sunak, he and his wife are worth more than a billion sterling - being a pm, most people forget
the things you did well very easily but it's hard to forget the things one has not done well.
So, why did Sunak become a PM - it was the prestige. Sunak is Indian like me and in India,
just like the rest of the world, there a many tens of thousands of very rich people
around but to have armed guards, the publicity, whizzing through traffic with the blue
lights - that kind of thing is reserved for top politicians and at times, certain singers

So the simple answer is, many having earned well and have the potential to earn a lot more strive to
to do something that in their eyes carries a lot of prestige.

 

[ChipChop]

Agreed. However.... sadly, most of the aid will probably not get to those who need it.

There have been reports of Hamas gunmen taking control of aid convoys as soon as they enter Gaza, then move the aid to their own warehouses.

The aid is then distributed to Hamas members. The rest is being sold on the black market to fund Hamas' activities.

Very sad. Hopefully, it's only marginal, but I fear that the aid might not help. Still, it's always a good idea to deliver more aid.

Aid convoys entering Gaza are not being escorted by the Israeli authorities (IDF?) then like they were earlier on this year?

How did 118 people die in Gaza's Al-Rashid aid convoy violence?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

People like politicians like the ones you mentioned above and others want the prestige
that comes with being a top-flight minister and their aim is usually PM.

As poor old Harry, Princess Kate's brother has found out to his cost - he is a multi-millionaire,
his father a King, his grandma was the queen - yet, in London's traffic, he was to sit in a traffic
jam just like the plebs around him.

Sunak, he and his wife are worth more than a billion sterling - being a pm, most people forget
the things you did well very easily but it's hard to forget the things one has not done well.
So, why did Sunak become a PM - it was the prestige. Sunak is Indian like me and in India,
just like the rest of the world, there a many tens of thousands of very rich people
around but to have armed guards, the publicity, whizzing through traffic with the blue
lights - that kind of thing is reserved for top politicians and at times, certain singers

So the simple answer is, many having earned well and have the potential to earn a lot more strive to
to do something that in their eyes carries a lot of prestige.

The point that I tried to make, which I failed to make well, is that...

"they could be making real money and be giving a fair old chunk of time and money to charity without the hassle"

Rishi's a perfect example, he could have continued to make his Children's charities money which would have achieved so much more for those children.

Why fritter time and talents to earn a kicking, like Blair, Thatcher and Wilson?

 

[markjay]

Aid convoys entering Gaza are not being escorted by the Israeli authorities (IDF?) then like they were earlier on this year?

How did 118 people die in Gaza's Al-Rashid aid convoy violence?

The aid convoys arriving into Gaza from within Israel are indeed escorted in by the IDF, but only up to a point. Obviously, no one wants to see clashes betwen Israelis and Palestinians like the one described in the link you posted.

However, most of the aid is arriving from the Egyptian border, where there's no military Isaeli presence.

Some aid also arrives by sea, delivered by the US, and some aid is provided by air drops, mostly by the US and Jordan and to a lesser extent by the UK and other European countries.

See also:

Gaza aid depot where food waits as Israel and UN trade blame

BBC sees hundreds of pallets of food sitting in the sun, just miles from starving Palestinians.

www.bbc.com

 

[Dryce]

So, why did Sunak become a PM - it was the prestige.

^This

And people might ask why is it that successful business people continue to work long after the level of wealth they have accumulated means they don't need to work.

Same goes for actors and media personalities and people in organisations such as sports - eg. F1.

It's not just the money - it's about status or standing.

At a lower level you have some small business owners who can't detach from their own businesses. It gives them identity.

 

[ChipChop]

The aid convoys arriving into Gaza from within Israel are indeed escorted in by the IDF, but only up to a point. Obviously, no one wants to see clashes betwen Israelis and Palestinians like the one described in the link you posted.

However, most of the aid is arriving from the Egyptian border, where there's no military Isaeli presence.

Some aid also arrives by sea, delivered by the US, and some aid is provided by air drops, mostly by the US and Jordan and to a lesser extent by the UK and other European countries.

See also:

Gaza aid depot where food waits as Israel and UN trade blame

BBC sees hundreds of pallets of food sitting in the sun, just miles from starving Palestinians.

www.bbc.com

Escorted only up to a point? There are only 2 roads in Gaza leading north from the Egyptian border Al Rashid road along the Gazan coast and Salah al din road. Israel has also built a new road (highway 749) running east to west cutting Gaza in half. Appears Israel has control of the roads in Gaza and hence the means to facilitate aid. Israel also took control of the Rafah crossing in May this year and at the Kerem Shalom crossing Israeli protestors regularily block and destroy aid.

Incidentally the aid convoy in February where 118 Palestinians died on the Al Rashid coast road originated from Egypt and was escorted by the IDF within Gaza.

 

[markjay]

Escorted only up to a point? There are only 2 roads in Gaza leading north from the Egyptian border Al Rashid road along the Gazan coast and Salah al din road. Israel has also built a new road (highway 749) running east to west cutting Gaza in half. Appears Israel has control of the roads in Gaza and hence the means to facilitate aid. Israel also took control of the Rafah crossing in May this year and at the Kerem Shalom crossing Israeli protestors regularily block and destroy aid.

Incidentally the aid convoy in February where 118 Palestinians died on the Al Rashid coast road originated from Egypt and was escorted by the IDF within Gaza.

Be it as it may.... read the BBC article that explains why there's still a humanitarian crisis in Gaza in spite of all the aid that's been pouring in.

The US Marines reported similar issues in Somalia at the time, when they tried to provide aid - the trucks carrying the aid were looted by local warlords as soon as the Marines escort turned back towards the coast. And people starved. There's no easy way around it.

 

[MSG2004]

The point that I tried to make, which I failed to make well, is that...

"they could be making real money and be giving a fair old chunk of time and money to charity without the hassle"

Rishi's a perfect example, he could have continued to make his Children's charities money which would have achieved so much more for those children.

Why fritter time and talents to earn a kicking, like Blair, Thatcher and Wilson?

Thanks. As I said and it happens in India a lot, the rich become politicians and get the blue/red light escorts etc - it is the prestige and when they say, "I/we will put the country/people first.." we all know who they will put first.
I too often think, why get insulted and have your family thrown into the limelight in a negative way - in the recent case of Sunak's wife and tax - but it is the prestige that gets them into that. Even Starmer said he did not want his family involved and there she was at the concert and campaign wearing those dresses

 

[MSG2004]

Re Gaza/aid - I heard on the radio this morning that the IDF has surrounded an area in Gaza for the last 12 days and not letting in aid - the story is not fact-checked.

Feel free to disagree - IMO - the killings, vast majority of it will stop if Iran and their puppets recognised Israel, stopped the attacks, hostages freed - idf moves back and the settlers from the West bank were removed
Gaza was left to their own devices when IDF pulled out years ago and if the money was not stolen and spent on themselves/family etc by Hamas etc - Gaza would have been a lovely place like Beirut IMO

 

[Darrell]

Even Starmer said he did not want his family involved and there she was at the concert and campaign wearing those dresses

Some simply can’t help themselves.