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I sincerely hope the six and a half weeks of radio therapy I had a year ago was necessary.
My point was about the marginal prostate treatments and biopsies which doctors admit aren’t really necessary, and which cause enormous stress, anxiety and physical pain to their unlucky recipients. The NHS dole them out because they’ve got the money and those yachts aren’t going to just pay for themselves
 
If you ever find yourself in need of the services of the NHS perhaps you will remember those words.....
Yes, I do remember those words every time I go into an NHS hospital and see absurd delays, bureaucracy, checkups and unnecessary procedures. Take a walk through a London Teaching hospital and you’ll be horrified, then talk with Consultants as well as Juniors about the misuse of resources that they see on a daily basis



 
Yes, I do remember those words every time I go into an NHS hospital and see absurd delays, bureaucracy, checkups and unnecessary procedures. Take a walk through a London Teaching hospital and you’ll be horrified, then talk with Consultants as well as Juniors about the misuse of resources that they see on a daily basis


Don't blame the clinicians, instead blame the fear mongers in the popular press for breeding the demand for PSA testing, and the clinical negligence lawyers exploiting the unfortunate patients who were not offered such low value investigations!
 
Don't blame the clinicians, instead blame the fear mongers in the popular press for breeding the demand for PSA testing, and the clinical negligence lawyers exploiting the unfortunate patients who were not offered such low value investigations!
Nope. The doctors, nurses and administrators are the only people responsible, as they scoop money out of the pot of free cash.

You may think you need cosmetic or gender surgery but it’s the NHS that’s makes the decision to spend money on you rather than shortening delays in A&E
 
It appears that much of the public sector is burdened to report on matters unrelated to the delivery of their primary function, and is measured / rewarded according to how they score against those measures. Little wonder that performance against their primary function(s) diminishes when the measurement / reward focus is elsewhere.

Some of the public sector. I think this tends to apply to the upper echelons.

There are many lower level staff who are expected to work through processes and front facing public interactions.

I've worked in government IT - health, police, defence, civil service. So as an example the NHS facility was sleepy valley but the staff worried about detail and operations to a high degree that made them conservative in their approach - health database activities can involve safety aspects such as management of health screening.

Once consistent aspect was a public-private relationship that caused drag. Typically you get contracts and incumbents where the prime contractor may be very defensive making sure that their contract is defended year after year and they remain the unchallenged incumbent. This stops competition. It also means that the public sector client may well be poorly served. The nature of the contracts where responsibilities and effort are outsourced can also skew things. You get public and private fiefdoms blocking progress.

Operationally NHS is a real mixed bag. Perpetually defining itself as on the verge of collapse - and yet it does innovate and improve. But the culture sucks. Doctors are not easy to manage. Doctors might be qualified - they can also be thick when it comes to non-medical aspects. Nurses are not always angelic. Managers are not always villains.
 
Yes, I do remember those words every time I go into an NHS hospital and see absurd delays, bureaucracy, checkups and unnecessary procedures. Take a walk through a London Teaching hospital and you’ll be horrified, then talk with Consultants as well as Juniors about the misuse of resources that they see on a daily basis



I’m not arguing against your point, and instead support it (see later), but your claim about men asking for prostate tests sounds like an unfair generalisation. I’ve had just about every test possible but would certainly not request any. I suppose that going through all that to find absolutely nothing should be a relief - but I’m not convinced.

As for all the faffing around that accompanies medical procedures these days, I couldn’t agree more. No doubt it’s mostly attempts to reduce litigation in the event that things don’t go as well as hoped, but I’d prefer to see more effort put in to getting things right in the first place.

When my youngest daughter was being born the staff were having to get to grips with a new computer system that recorded everything. There were complications with the birth, but by far the greatest amount of effort was expended by the group gathered around the computer screen. Doctors and nurses pointing at the screen and tapping the keyboard, but nobody at the sharp end keeping a check on what was happening there. When someone did remember to check on the patient(s) they seemed almost surprised that a baby was fighting its way out. Minutes later I was left alone with my daughter on a hot plate while my wife was whisked off for surgery, closely followed by the trolley mounted computer. All worked out well in the end, but I couldn’t help feeling that better use of resources would have improved the whole process.
 
Nope. The doctors, nurses and administrators are the only people responsible, as they scoop money out of the pot of free cash.

You may think you need cosmetic or gender surgery but it’s the NHS that’s makes the decision to spend money on you rather than shortening delays in A&E
Are you a lawyer then ?
 
Some of the public sector.
Accepted.
I think this tends to apply to the upper echelons.
...who are the ones that set the tone and culture for the organisation, so while relatively small in number they have a disproportionate effect when they measure the "wrong" things.
Operationally NHS is a real mixed bag. Perpetually defining itself as on the verge of collapse - and yet it does innovate and improve. But the culture sucks. Doctors are not easy to manage. Doctors might be qualified - they can also be thick when it comes to non-medical aspects. Nurses are not always angelic. Managers are not always villains.
Like most people, my main experience of the NHS is as an end user, but I also have friends who work or have worked in the NHS, one or two in very senior medical positions, and their insights are both interesting and concerning. I get the impression that they generally do their best to achieve good results but there is a high degree of frustration amongst many of them, often directed at managers or processes. With no sense of irony, almost without exception they will share tales of considerable waste and wasteful processes, while simultaneously insisting that if the NHS had more funding, everything would be better.
 
There were complications with the birth, but by far the greatest amount of effort was expended by the group gathered around the computer screen. Doctors and nurses pointing at the screen and tapping the keyboard, but nobody at the sharp end keeping a check on what was happening there. When someone did remember to check on the patient(s) they seemed almost surprised that a baby was fighting its way out.

There is a scene in the movie Apollo 13 where they gather to start working the problem and the old fashioned overhead projector fails and the manager doesn't let the team fix it but pushes it away so he can get on with getting things solved.

It's not IT. But it is representative of distraction from the matter in hand (in this case -unusually - the distraction is dealt with).

But every day there is a huge amount of time lost to screen projectors and laptop screen switching - HDMI cables - remote controls - problematic large screens - projectors that go to sleep - and screen casting glitches.

Too much IT is like this. Glitchy or time wasting. Anti-productive.
 
I have just been watching questions to I,Robot, also known as Chancellor of the Exchequer.Many of her answers referenced "14 years......., Black hole.........., etc. This together with planted questions from her Labour MPs made the whole exercise meaningless. Every answer to these planted questions was long winded and with eyes firmly fixed on her notes.Why are these obviously planted soft ball questions allowed?
One of her replies began with "I started my career as an economist with the BofE." This was greeted with much laughter .
 
The scariest Halloween Costume I've seen so far:

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The problem with the NHS on prostrate enlargement vs cancer is the failure to explain the reality of the situation. I'm 70 and presumably have an enlarged prostrate like others of my age, meaning I have to get up in the night to pee. Except for an unlucky few, I understand that the majority of older men will get prostrate enlargement/cancer and die with it rather than from it. Yet I didn't learn this from the NHS. Why aren't they being more forthcoming with information on what is the most common cancer for men. Every man older than 65 will get called in for a health check on blood pressure, cholesterol etc but prostrate cancer doesn't even get mentioned and if you ask then you get directed to make another appointment with the doctor. Seems to me an opportunity missed to be proactive instead of reactive.
 
The problem with the NHS on prostrate enlargement vs cancer is the failure to explain the reality of the situation. I'm 70 and presumably have an enlarged prostrate like others of my age, meaning I have to get up in the night to pee. Except for an unlucky few, I understand that the majority of older men will get prostrate enlargement/cancer and die with it rather than from it. Yet I didn't learn this from the NHS. Why aren't they being more forthcoming with information on what is the most common cancer for men. Every man older than 65 will get called in for a health check on blood pressure, cholesterol etc but prostrate cancer doesn't even get mentioned and if you ask then you get directed to make another appointment with the doctor. Seems to me an opportunity missed to be proactive instead of reactive.
The big problem is there is no single test for prostate cancer, the blood test can be positive but may also be positive if you are active sexually, on the wrong tablets and a whole host of other reasons. The PSA blood test at best may only be 55% accurate so a proper diagnosis may involve several tests some of which may be invasive.
 
The PSA blood test at best may only be 55% accurate so a proper diagnosis may involve several tests some of which may be invasive.
A one in seven possibility of a PSA reporting falsely - positive or negative - is what I was told when I asked for the PSA test. My result was negative so I view that as an 86% probability that I don't have prostate cancer (which killed my father far too soon) and that will be re-evaluated in 12 months with a repeat test. I was offered the 'finger' test but after discussion re negative test result and no symptoms the decision was as outlined - retest in one year from now. The NHS I'm told wants to move toward a preventative model. We need to work with it to that end. Discuss the implications of the non invasive tests and don't assume that the first port of enquiry is your anus - it isn't!
 
The good news is that prostate cancer caught in time is almost 100% successful in getting it sorted one way or another
Often, watchful waiting is recommended for older men when it's unlikely the cancer will affect their natural lifespan according to NHS
website and what I've heard.
 
Well, this is an interesting development:


The authorities seem to be continuing to do everything they can to avoid categorising the atrocious actions perpetrated by Axel Rudakubana as "terrorism". Perhaps that's something to do with their emphatically denying that the stabbings of the young girls was a terrorist act in their immediate aftermath and during the subsequent unrest?

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
 
Well, this is an interesting development:


The authorities seem to be continuing to do everything they can to avoid categorising the atrocious actions perpetrated by Axel Rudakubana as "terrorism". Perhaps that's something to do with their emphatically denying that the stabbings of the young girls was a terrorist act in their immediate aftermath and during the subsequent unrest?

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Definite apprentice terrorist.
 

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