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I’ve long suggested that , rather than overcrowding prisons and keeping prisoners at our expense , punishments for certain violent offenders , drug dealers , rapists , paedophiles and other distasteful offenders should instead go back to corporal punishment with public floggings outside the court house , then leaving them in the stocks for a period of time to face the disapproval of the public and be pelted with rotten eggs or other similar items .

While it costs the taxpayer a lot to keep people in prison , it would cost very little to take them outside the court immediately after a trial and flog them . The main argument for prison is where an offender presents a danger to the public .

That would cut down on prison time and for many offenders would be a good deterrent as many might see prison as an easy option , but would dread a good flogging in front of the public .

Seeing some criminals flogged would also give their victims a sense of justice being done .
 
If it is a Mercedes Diesel of W123 or earlier range then killing electrics won’t stop the engine , you can disconnect the battery and these cars will just keep running
I had thought that older diesels would be unaffected.... But dismissed the likelihood of crims using an old Merc diesel as their ride; they are unlikely to be that cultured 😉
 
You wanted the car stopped 🤔

We could try shotguns with large sabot rounds through the engine block? Remington used to make that sort of round for the US police I believe

Directional EMP pulse killing all electrics?

Stingers (I mean the spiked variety, not the shoulder launch AAM). Probably not "immediate" enough in a close quarter urban environment when shiny buttons can still drive round on the rims.

Of course the mental giant could have just stopped but perhaps he thought he was in a Bad Boys movies and he was going to get away. Whatever he thought I'll not lose sleep over it.

The obvious issue being that none if these measures were available to the police officers at the time of the shooting.
 
Are you referring to the mattc's post? Or to the actual events that led to Chris Kaba's death?

Regarding the former, I don't know. Regarding the latter, it was established by the jury that this wasn't the case.
Precisely!

A jury acquitted the officer of the charge of murder. It is very simple to understand and to talk about "summary execution in the street" is pathetic left wing posturing.

Do you seriously think that the police should have let Caba just ram his way free with the car?

Were the police expected to then get involved in chasing him at speed through the streets were others would be at risk or perhaps just let him go?

Caba knew he would be arrested, he knew he would be linked to the shooting in the club earlier that week and he was determined to not be caught. He made his life style choices to carry and use a gun on at least one occasion and he didn't have the courage to accept the consequences of his actions.

It was his behaviour and his alone that brought about his death.
 
....Do you seriously think that the police should have let Caba just ram his way free with the car?

Were the police expected to then get involved in chasing him at speed through the streets were others would be at risk or perhaps just let him go? ...

My understanding is that it would have indeed been illegal for the police to use lethal force simply to stop the suspect from fleeing the scene in his car (unless there was a reason to believe that the suspect was about to commit a violent crime, e.g. an armed terrorist trying to kill people).

However, in this case, the police officer used lethal force in order to protect himself and his fellow police officers from being run over by the suspect, and not in order to prevent the suspect from fleeing, which is why his actions were deemed legal by the jury.
 
My understanding is that it would have indeed been illegal for the police to use lethal force simply to stop the suspect from fleeing the scene in his car (unless there was a reason to believe that the suspect was about to commit a violent crime, e.g. an armed terrorist trying to kill people).

However, in this case, the police officer used lethal force in order to protect himself and his fellow police officers from being run over by the suspect, and not in order to prevent the suspect from fleeing, which is why his actions were deemed legal by the jury.
Exactly.

It was very clearly established that the officers did not know who they were stopping just that the vehicle and potentially the driver had been involved in an incident involving a shooting hence firearms officers being deployed.

The situation escalated solely due to the actions of the driver.

It should be noted that the other two officers both said that they were prepared to shoot if the other officer had not.
 
. As a backbencher, David Lammy, now the foreign secretary, variously described Trump as a “neo-Nazi sympathising sociopath”, a “tyrant in a toupee” and a “dangerous clown”.
To be fair, there is nothing to disagree with there.
 
To be fair, there is nothing to disagree with there.
"Neo-Nazi?" How so ? What signs of ultranationalism, anti-communism, racism, ableism, homophobia, or anti-semitism can you see which are more extreme than routine American?

(For elimination of doubt, he's obviously an idiot, and presumably the best that the Republicans can find. I just can't see that he's any more Neo-Nazi than, say, Farage.)




A diplomat.......is a man who always remembers a woman's birthday, but never her age.

But more importantly, Sir Henry Wooton....

"An ambassador is an honest gentleman sent to lie abroad for the good of his country".
 
"Neo-Nazi?" How so ? What signs of ultranationalism, anti-communism, racism, ableism, homophobia, or anti-semitism can you see which are more extreme than routine American?
Tru dat. But link them to "sociopath" and you have a whole new set of scumbaggeries.
 
Tru dat. But link them to "sociopath" and you have a whole new set of scumbaggeries.
No problem with that bit. Ditto tyrant, toupe, and clown....
 
...and Kamala as ever gets an easy ride. The bias in UK media coverage of the USPE is ridiculous.

True, but I don't this it's a Left vs Right issue.

Trump is (almost) universally disliked in Europe, because of his personality, and not because he's the leader of the Republican party.

In fact, he is also disliked by half of the American voters........ more than half, probably, if you take into account those Republican voters who do not want him as president and have no choice but to vote for him because the alternative is having a Democrat as their president.

Love him or loath him, you have to admit that Trump is Marmite.
 
To be fair, there is nothing to disagree with there.


There may be some truth in what Lammy says about Trump but Lammy is still a clown, a liability to the government and an embarrassment to the country. I was reading something yesterday where it was suggested that no matter how many faux pas he commits it's unlikely that Starmer will get shot of him because he's the only black man in the cabinet. What a depressing thought, The best we can hope for is a sideways move to somewhere he can do less damage.
 
Lammy is still a clown, a liability to the government and an embarrassment to the country. I was reading something yesterday where it was suggested that no matter how many faux pas he commits it's unlikely that Starmer will get shot of him because he's the only black man in the cabinet.
Corbyn / Abbot springs to mind on that one.
What a depressing thought,
Yeh, 'aint it just.
The best we can hope for is a sideways move to somewhere he can do less damage.
The North Sea is closer than the North Atlantic, but either would do really.
 
The west are not firmly on the side of Israel. That's a pro-Israel conceit....


"...a powerful group of editors is hijacking wikipedia, pushing pro-palestinian propaganda, erasing key facts about hamas, and reshaping the narrative around israel with alarming influence"

This can explain why so many people are misinformed about the conflict.
 
Starmer and cronies are trying to evade the question of "define a working man."

Unless someone is a clown, they will not accept that a "landlord and/or"shareholders"
is not/or was a working man in the vast majority of cases.. Millions of people are in work or were in work when they bought shares/property
to safeguard their and their family's future. In turn, the same people safeguarded
the future of our nation along with those on benefits and the lifestyles of these lying politicians.

Free gear Kier and his besties chanted dozens if not hundreds of times that
they would not tax the "working man."

I honestly regret working up to 80 hours a week and Mrs M 60 hour a week
to reduce our main mortgage to ensure the financial security of our family, then
invest, take risk in taking out another
mortgage for a BTL. We were in negative equity for years on the BTL, so it was a risk
and we know of people that went bankrupt, lost everything

We know of landlords that have had their property trashed, sublet and they lost thousands,
Which bastard covers the landlords' costs when they have been cheated, defrauded, property trashed,
landlords health put at risk - well its not these labour clowns that even ordinary people doing well.

This fundamentally hypocritical government will either honour their
promise not to raise taxes for the "working man," or more, very likely raise taxes on the
"working man." They are shameless, actually more than shameless, misleading to put it mildly if
they did raise taxes on those that are, have worked very, very hard and possibly gone without
holidays, nice cars, clothing, days out in order to ensure they did not have to depend
on benefits and or pension credit when they retire.

In my view, politicians do not want ordinary people appear to be catching up
on their lifestyle

Please do not forget that Starmer tried to move the media on re his thousands of pounds worth of gifts.
The media did not give up, they caught him and others out. You'd thought that would be the end of that
for a political party that promised "transparency" but the news of more gifts had to be dragged out again.
The gifts we dressed😂 up as 'Office Support.':mad: - Maybe to see clearly what had been going on,
he needed a pair of specs or six. 😂

Most of us don't begrudge paying taxes and why not if you earn more, then pay more. What gets me is these bastards lie to get into number 10. Then you have those that can work but refuse to work and some actually trash your nice car just because they could not be ****d to
spend/save their money wisely in order to aspire to do better than your parents did. What really hurts
me that us in the middle EG, not very rich, definitely not poor are always hit the hardest and those that are very rich, big organisations and those
that can work but won't, often get away with everything

If I could turn the clock back 40+ years - I would have spent, spent and spent and not buy a BTL which will stop us
going onto pension credits, looking for handouts.

Just to be clear, there are many that can't work, and I'm more than happy to pay my taxes towards them and I'm glad I was not is that group. Our money is wasted by these useless politicians on flash cars, scandals, trips abroad, second homes paid for by us, perks, very decent salieres and worst of all, and Liz Truss comes to mind - she ****s up the majority of Brititsh citizens, 6 weeks in office would have been three if the queen had not passed on - yet this clown is getting a MASSIVE pension for life along with armed guards etc - what waste of our money and there are many others like her.
 
Starmer was bound to come unstuck by adopting the phrase working man when what he actually meant was labours old core base of working class with no savings or other income than their wage. It's a divisive concept that attempts to drag us back many decades. What Labour fails to grasp is that the real working class man these days is just as likely to be a high rate tax payer as anyone else especially given the stealth tax of frozen allowances which will continue for years yet dragging more into the net. If they think they are about to wage war with tax increases only on the middle classes then they are going to lose support in droves.

Failure to accept anyone with investment income of as little as £500 per annum within his definition of working man is as sure signal as we are going to get that dividend tax and capital gains tax are going to be hiked.
 

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